The 3 stage Reaction to C&C4

[GeneralSGJist]

I'm finding it interesting that just about everyone has the same initial reaction to C&C4, to sum it up

Stage 1:
"Where is the classic C&C stuff? Why did they change it?"

Stage 2:
Anger/ resignation or a combination of both, leading to ppl still here, who play sometimes, but still see its potential.

stage 3:
Realizing the game is actually fun in its own way, it no C&C, but it not asteroids or some thing lamer. Then see the depth in the game.

Most people back in initial release never made it to stage 3, some not even to stage 2. Thus the massive sudden death of the C&C community across all C&C sites, disappointed at C&C4, vowing never to buy another EA game and the like.

Those who are left here, have made it to stage 3, and see it as their job to make sure others get there too, to try and get back our lost community members......

[RedAlert2008]

Which one would you say i am at?

[HOPE1134]

stage1 guys are 1337

[GeneralSGJist]

Well, from my "professional" assessment, stage 2.

I don't see you bashing EA, but don't see you playing cc4 either.... but hay what do i know?

[RedAlert2008]

well tbh i was playing it earlier and got bored quickly, so went to RA3 for more fun.

[RealWar]

I'd usually play C&C 4 every now and then, but, It had this really annoying crashing bug. So when it came time to make space on my comp, it got the boot :(
But yeah, I found the gameplay fun and addicting, but no C&C. :(

[EddySaf]

I haven't seen Red or Hope in C&C4, maybe they might use a Smurf. Anyway I'm in the Hardcore lobby at the moment, but I'm also AFK reading some posts here, when I finish reading posts here I think I may play some games. :D

[Lord-Vale3]

Yeah, I'm still at stage 2 on CnC4, and always will be. I'm not wasting any time on it.

Now, depending on how this next cnc turns out, I might waste serious time on CnC again. ;)

[Templar_gamer]

i didn't get the game for a couple of reasons but the bottom line one is this:


it was a stripped down DoW2 clone with MMORPG elements that utterly failed to deliver on any of it's promises IMO, that and it's not very fun to play for any longer then maybe 5 minutes

[RedAlert2008]

I haven't seen Red or Hope in C&C4, maybe they might use a Smurf. Anyway I'm in the Hardcore lobby at the moment, but I'm also AFK reading some posts here, when I finish reading posts here I think I may play some games. :D

I use RedAlert2011

but hardly play, as i get bored with it easily.

[stephanovich]

I'd say a combination of #2 and 3 TBH.

Haven't played it in months though. DAO took my time away and DA2 will come March 10th :D

[EddySaf]

I'd usually play C&C 4 every now and then, but, It had this really annoying crashing bug. So when it came time to make space on my comp, it got the boot :(
But yeah, I found the gameplay fun and addicting, but no C&C. :(

Maybe you could start a new thread on this really annoying crashing bug and give us as much details as you can about it. Then maybe some here might help in looking into it and maybe even pass it on to EA Support to look into it from a Technical aspect. At the moment there are 598 playing C&C4 and I doubt that they would be doing so if they had such a really annoying crashing bug, even I do not have such a bug, maybe the bug is at your end and which could be fixed.

[City17Citizen]

I agree on this one. I'm currently at the stage 3.

I use to regret that I purchased it, and now I'm happy I have it.

[HOPE1134]

I don't have cnc4 for it is a fail

[EddySaf]

I don't have cnc4 for it is a fail

OK that's you and many others. I do have C&C4 and I like to play it just like I like to play other C&C games. C&C4 was refreshing in that it certainly was different and sort of like a change was as good as a holiday. BUT it could have been done better if EA put more money into developing it, gave the devs more time, and included a Scrin invasion like they originally planned, plus more. But yeah I have it and like playing it and that is my choice to do if I wish, so could others if they wish.
By the way I like your avatar, I'm a believer.

[EvilConker]

Eh, it was fun while it lasted, but I haven't played it in quite a while, that, and all other C&C games, to be honest.

[Gobias]

I actually can appreciate the third stage of sort of liking C&C 4's gameplay on some level, but it never should have been implemented in a core game of the series, much less the "grand finale". I played the beta of C&C 4 a lot, kind of just accepting the game for what it was as fun, but not quite as fun as a real RTS, and sort of deep. When I played the single player though, it was so awful I never touched the game again. To sound like a total melodramatic *** for a second, I simply didn't want to be reminded of the Kane going into the cardboard portal ending ever again. The campaign was so bad that I felt like ignoring the game altogether.

I would have kept playing the game had its RTT gameplay been in a spinoff, like originally planned. C&C 4 should have been Arena, and never should have been made into the trash it was.

[m4dn3ss]

It's fun but gets boring quicker than other games

[EddySaf]

It's fun but gets boring quicker than other games

Sounds like you need a holiday for a while, say to New York to see what's going on there. :D

[RedAlert2008]

tbh i agree with m4dness.....

[Existor]

C&C4 is fun, but there are no reason to play. Gameplay is boring, you must build counter, no diversity, no tactic. Enemy lost 5 units, he can rebuild them. C&C3:KW is a lot better

[johnnykay]

To take the time to respond to any critiques regarding games would not normally be my daily goal. C&C 4 is the exception. I will make this short and sweet. Prior to C&C 4, I always looked forward to finding some way to allocate some of my hours to playing C&C even when it was not appropriate. To say the least, I was truly looking forward to purchasing C&C 4 because I had finally take the time to build myself what I thought would be the dream machine for playing the brand new EA dream game--C&C 4. Man, was I taken back the first time that I attempted to play the game that I ordered a month before its release. I've tried to play C&C 4 about 3 or 4 times and totally gave up after spending a total of about 4 hours on it overall.

Being an application software architect for 25+ years, I cannot for my life imagine who came up with the idea of continuing the C&C venue with C&C 4. The only reason that I am responding to this topic is because I just read about how EA is turning C&C over to a totally new group. EA, please try to figure out how to continue the Tiberium growth by continuing the 'adventure' and all of the strategy of the history of C&C. If you would have merely added new 'things' to the current game and improved the UI to adhere to new and better hardware, it would have been exactly what I was looking for. The revenue is there, but you have to be a bit smarter about it this time. Good luck and I will be watching and waiting to place my order for a new 'real C&C' adventure.

Thanks and have a productive day,

John Kellgren

[RedAlert2008]

Is there a Stage 4???

Could be acceptance, and the willingness to move on and support the new team behind the future CnC's????

coz i think i have just hit that stage.

[gwandi]

Stage 4: Rev 10 breaks the game!

[1deano1]

I'm still on stage 2 tbh.

[RedAlert2008]

Remember peeps its a new team now, we must give them a chance if CnC is to become what it once was.

[ALRAB00]

I haven't seen Red or Hope in C&C4, maybe they might use a Smurf. Anyway I'm in the Hardcore lobby at the moment, but I'm also AFK reading some posts here, when I finish reading posts here I think I may play some games. :D

one small thing if u talking about me

im gona ask u didnt u heard the last news i have been moving my kingdom to stracraft II and i guess cnc 4 just lost a huge lost (which is me ):P

but if i well see some moving on with this new CM and more players came back to play the game then all of the enemys should be scared cuz TheReDKinG is coming back :P


I'm still on stage 2 tbh.

hope u reach stage 3

and i hope u guyz reach the 4th stage which is begin a King in cnc 4 jast like me cuz i really hate begin alone in cnc 4 u only i hate to be the only king and i hate the clones too xD


C&C4 is fun, but there are no reason to play. Gameplay is boring, you must build counter, no diversity, no tactic. Enemy lost 5 units, he can rebuild them. C&C3:KW is a lot better

lol some day ull reach stage 4 just keep hoping u may reach it some day

[Comp_Lex]

I only play CNC 4 when I meet some good players online (Arigold, Incia, etc). I know I can trust them a bit and that I can have some fun with them. Otherwise I don't play it.

[1deano1]

Yeah, I doubt i'll ever reach stage 3.

[RedAlert2008]

You will with time and effort deano

I know you just bought the game, so we can play online sometime.

[GeneralSGJist]

I would think stage 4 is a mix of 2 &3.....

[RedAlert2008]

I would think stage 4 is a mix of 2 &3.....

Think its time you rethought your stage system.....needs refinement because of the most recent revelations.

[RedAlert2008]

How do i get pics in sig?
http://i.imgur.com/ENM5t.jpg

you have to upload it iirc and then press the insert sig pic button.

[Incia]

One more post and you're on the stage 3.

[TwiggyTwit]

I think stage 3, but still stage 2 because i'm sad about the TOTAL LACK OF SUPPORT for the game. It was supported for the first 3months and that was it. When i bought it i had it mind maybe a year of support until the next game. I can even understand no support if there was a new game close to release but there isn't. EA's latest CNC game has so little support which is why i'm still at stage 2 and 3 and why a lot of people turned their backs on the game

It's a very fun team play game only and brought a different perspective on playing a CNC game. Single play is less interesting and the campaign put a lot of people off from ever reaching stage 3.

[Coolness7]

The game concept itself was not that bad... but selling this RTT wannabe to a hardcore RTS community does not work (obviously) I played the game and it was fun a couple times, but once SC2 came out it was over.

[Slavik_91]

The game have no depth, and the only reason I let red buy it for me it's because I'm bored and I want something to do until Retribution unlocks, and I can't even do that because this god damn game wont let me log on

[Coolness7]

Yeah i get you.... So how you been S-dog?

[Slavik_91]

Bored out of my mind, but fine be4 the Retri beta ended

And dont call me S-dog

[RedAlert2008]

Bored out of my mind, but fine be4 the Retri beta ended

And dont call me S-dog

hhahahahaha i shall name you S-Dog......and ima get everyone on Xfire to call it you too

[GeneralSGJist]

omg, it's the C7, everyone, hide your work in case he makes it go nowhere.....

And lets call S Dog Sherlly

[Gas0lin3]

There's no depth in it..

[HOPE1134]

C7, god of tib eclipse

[Cyann]

Why should all people be able to come to Stage 3 ? I enjoyed a bit the Beta, but I played only a few hours to the real game. It has a very short lifetime...

[Incia]

Why should all people be able to come to Stage 3 ? I enjoyed a bit the Beta, but I played only a few hours to the real game. It has a very short lifetime...

Longer then I managed to play SC2.

[R3ven]

C7, god of tib eclipse

It isn't hard to be a god of nothing.

[GeneralSGJist]

There is now a Tiberian Eclipse love or hate group, lets try and keep it in there, not dragging it all over the forums, and yes, my bad for instigating it.

Back on Topic,

I'd Say I'm in stage 2.....

[darthL]

I'm pretty much a mixture of stage 2 and 3.
However I will support the new developers for the new command and conquer.

[Klandri]

The stages are actually 5.

1.Denial
Initial purchase and when you play the game.
2.Anger
You go crazy and hate the game. This is the most popular ranting stage.
3.Bargaining
This is your third stage as well. You play the game again.
4.Depression
You become sad: The series is dead. This is also a very popular ranting stage.
5.Acceptance
In this stage you wait for next game and play old games.

[Revanchist]

Oh, come on. C&C isn't dead. It will live again, though not necessarily up to our expectations.


Even Godzilla is coming back. And he'll kill the world in 2012. That's what the Mayans were trying to tell us.

But C&C, with or without Kane or Tiberium, will return.

[GeneralSGJist]

The stages are actually 5.

1.Denial
Initial purchase and when you play the game.
2.Anger
You go crazy and hate the game. This is the most popular ranting stage.
3.Bargaining
This is your third stage as well. You play the game again.
4.Depression
You become sad: The series is dead. This is also a very popular ranting stage.
5.Acceptance
In this stage you wait for next game and play old games.

lol
I see what's going on there...... thought about it, but stages 2 and 4 are the same, and in my mind, stage 3 does not exist as you see it. We don;t say we will give up X for a better C&C...........

Anyways, imo still same old stages, with possible 4th.....

[(Kibax)]

Don't worry guys, you can indeed build bases in C&C4.

[Reno]

Kibax, most, if not all, people here have played C&C4. You can't get their hopes up with false promises.

Anyway, first of all good job General! Sadly though, I still see countless people here talk about C&C4 with intense negativity. Just look at this (http://www.commandandconquer.com/forums/showthread.php?305-This-Game-Really-as-Bad-as-the-Reviews) thread. Me though, I never touched stages 1 or 2. I was always optimistic about it, and when I did get round to playing it I saw its good points and was generally pleased.

[Incia]

Kibax, most, if not all, people here have played C&C4. You can't get their hopes up with false promises.

Anyway, first of all good job General! Sadly though, I still see countless people here talk about C&C4 with intense negativity. Just look at this (http://www.commandandconquer.com/forums/showthread.php?305-This-Game-Really-as-Bad-as-the-Reviews) thread. Me though, I never touched stages 1 or 2. I was always optimistic about it, and when I did get round to playing it I saw its good points and was generally pleased.

Yep and they didn't even play the game, why pay for a game when you go and test 1 map *oh, no tib* *oh no bases*, *comes back to forum to bash the game*. Retards if you ask me.
Still wonder why nobody bashed Renegade... *pay for the game* *play it* *come back to forums and bash the game because it's not an RTS from top view*
Maybe they had brains back then?

[Havok2100X]

Yeah, I pretty much got bored and upset with it after the first 3 weeks. I went back to playing red alert 3, then generals, then starcraft 2, then I am on red alert 2 and expansion.

[Korusho]

I don't have cnc4 for it is a fail

Dis.

Seriously, everyone who keeps saying "But it has merits!!!" are failing to remember the big letters stamped on the front of the box, Command & Conquer. This is a CnC in name and SOMEWHAT storyline only.

[Incia]

Dis.

Seriously, everyone who keeps saying "But it has merits!!!" are failing to remember the big letters stamped on the front of the box, Command & Conquer. This is a CnC in name and SOMEWHAT storyline only.

And?

The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog

[Incia]

In that case Generals is a even bigger fail because it is not a C&C in anyway, form or detail, or even by story, or even by anything, it has 0 % C&C in it.

But no, it's still not a fail, it's a decent game, just like C&C 4.

[Bobug]

thing is tho, even when you forget cnc4 is a cnc, its still a subpar game, mabye average at best

renegade was a decent enough shooter, and generals while not being a cnc game per se was still a good RTS, (altho tbh i still think its the worst cnc after cnc4 and SS)

[Incia]

C&C 4 works perfect for an arena game, you get into the action in the first 5 seconds... just how an arena game should be. With base building in an C&C arena = fail. What you wanna do? Build a boot camp in the corner and play single player while everyone else takes nodes?

[Bobug]

im not complaining about having no base building, I find that pretty cool, eg i love dow2 and thats got no base building, I think what i hate most is how keeping stuff alive means nothing, and how the game basically boils down to a big game of rock paper scissors lizard spock

[Incia]

Try playing versus someone good. Whole point in early game is to keep your tanks alive and get them heroic, it's the basic meta-game. If you lose your tanks then you also lose the area, the tiberium, the Nodes and you already lost the game.

[Coolness7]

The concepts IMO were great, I probably would have liked the game if there was better application of those concepts. Also, keep the RA3 art with the RA universe. >.>


There is now a Tiberian Eclipse love or hate group, lets try and keep it in there, not dragging it all over the forums, and yes, my bad for instigating it.
How is that mod going btw

And for some reason being the god of nothing isnt as easy as you think lol...

[HOPE1134]

they tried to do a rts fps hybrid
but they epicly failed

[Coolness7]

I tried to tell them that wouldn't work....

[GeneralSGJist]

Well you should have stayed and said so, and TBH that only happened since the people who had a chance of pulling it off actually have a life outside gameing......
Anyways, it's going good, we are on the cusp of production expect to see stuff from us soon.

And just curious, what were your skills?

Back on topic,
The thing about C&C4 is it took depth from the game, without adding anything substantial.

[Elven]

stage 3 :].

I play cnc 4 mostly with friends as well, because i don't find much fun when i play with randoms. Playing with friends is more fun because their skill level is way higher then randon skill level, meaning that i can have some actual fun :).

[Reno]

they tried to do a rts fps hybrid
but they epicly failed

In what way was C&C4 an FPS? And in what way is it relevent to the thread?

[(Kibax)]

If it was called C&C Arena and had some more time to explore the concept, it would have been a bigger success. There is a good game there, just not C&C4.

[GeneralSGJist]

stage 3 :].

I play cnc 4 mostly with friends as well, because i don't find much fun when i play with randoms. Playing with friends is more fun because their skill level is way higher then randon skill level, meaning that i can have some actual fun :).

Indeed, that is the issue with this game, the fun wanes when u play with randoms, but hardly anyone has figured it out.....


@ Reno, Hope was refering to Tiberian Eclipse.

[Coolness7]

Well you should have stayed and said so, and TBH that only happened since the people who had a chance of pulling it off actually have a life outside gameing......
Anyways, it's going good, we are on the cusp of production expect to see stuff from us soon.

And just curious, what were your skills?
I really did want to stay but I honestly thought JP was going to take it up where I left off, guess not. I could do mapping, modelling and I was getting into texturing... Mostly I planned the mod out (with help from the rest of the team) and got the ball rolling when it was stuck.

And yours?

[MACARD]

Writing, leading, Idea concepting is about it, but we, me and Jist, are pretty good at it so we can specialize in the story and other areas and let the others do what they are best at.

[GeneralSGJist]

Lets take it to pm, we are detracting from the topic of the thread.

[NeofelisNebulosa]

Hui, curiosity got the better of me. What stage am I?

[GeneralSGJist]

If you think hard you will know.

[EddySaf]

If you think hard you will know.

I thought hard and none of the 3 stages mentioned apply to me. I immediately accepted C&C4 and saw it as a refreshing change in a holiday away from the classic stuff. Yeah I'm having fun on my holiday and even having fun killing Crawlers. I do not have any anger or resignation to the game. I can see the game as C&C and the Tiberium Universe could continue later where based building and harvesting can easily return, either far out in the stars or even back on Earth and where the Scrin could even be included. After my holiday I will feel nice and refreshed to come back to the classic stuff which I also enjoy.

[HOPE1134]

Took them a long time to go back to sage

[GeneralSGJist]

Then your an outlier :p

Apparentlly some people skip stages.......

[EddySaf]

Then your an outlier :p

Apparentlly some people skip stages.......

It looks like I am an outliner to you and maybe so to others. But I am just being me, an individual.

"Apparently some people skip stages......."
That sounds like that there are stages to you. I'm having difficulty in understanding particularly when I see none of your stages apply to me. To you what is after the skipped stages when no stages applied, or in effect there was none of your stages?

Do your stages apply to people who have never played C&C games before, and some may have bought their first C&C game which might happen to be C&C4, and your stages might not apply to them.

[Comp_Lex]

I agree. I'm in the same camp as Eddy, so even stage 1 does not apply to me. I see for example the domination mode as an extra mode next to the traditional CNC stuff.

[GeneralWeezles]

I played it for about a week, saw the general lack of RTS mechanics and quickly sold it to Gamestop for a reasonable $7.50. EA really let us down, but I'm not letting that get to me. I still work on past titles such as SC4, and TS2 + 3, and the content creation community in each is thriving and expanding--even with EA all but pulling them off the shelves, so far as support is concerned. If you applied this test to games such as SimCity 4, or The Sims 3--I'm at level 4 with SC4, having completely accepted the EA failure, and participating as an active content creator in communities such as Simtropolis. Sims 3, I'm still level 1, as with most loyal Sim fans, and I've returned to TS2.

Can't count me out on RTS altogether, I've still not bought SC2, and always thought starcraft was heavily overrated compared to C&C. That said, can't wait for Diablo 3. :)

*Edit, I suppose it could be a shock to mention simulation titles in an RTS forum, in that case, I've been playing RTS since Warcraft Orcs and Humans and Dune...Age of Empires to Petroglyph's petrifying Star Wars saga*

[EddySaf]

GeneralWeezles you know what you like and that's great, just play what you like in a game. :)

To me history repeats itself like when C&C Renegade appeared in the Tiberian Universe. Back then there were C&C fans who did not like Renegade and they complained as Renegade followed an FPS formula. Yet there were C&C fans who did like it including me.

Renegade was like a holiday to me in doing something different. Then after the holiday it was great to come back to the classical RTS mechanics in a new release called C&C Generals then Zero Hour, then later in C&C3 Tiberian Wars. Maybe History may repeat itself yet again and the next game will be great and have base building and harvesting.

By the way I also liked the Dune games plus other games, but there are games out there that I do not like. Yeah and way back then I liked Renegade :)

http://images.wikia.com/cnc/images/4/49/Cncren-cover.jpg

[GeneralSGJist]

Well, yes indeed, the stages would probably only apply to those who have played past C&Cs, so they know the difference, and in my mind what they lost.

The thing is that Renegade gives a new perspective in story and gameplay aforded by the FPS platform, however C&C4 is giving the RTS perspective with out any new perspective.

You still command like an RTS, but lose much of what RTS is, The story format was good, not the actual content.

The thing is that each time, C&C is expanded on, either mechanics or perspective, and people don;t like that changed, but if they see old way too, they are likely to accept it.

But the thing is you could simply have the Crawler mechanic shown as a mode, and still have basebuilding, That is what Tiberian eclipse plans.

C&C4 added nothing new really new, as Bobug put it, it's like baseing a game on the mobile War factory from Ts, excluding everything else.

Would you like a game about say, an harvester? thegame is u harvest tib, but never can buy stuff, or where u play as an FPS engineer, going to repair stuff, but not able to use anything you repaired?

People feel cheated that EA made a game around one unit, and tailored a story around it.

or imagine a game based on a commando, from RTS perspective, all you get is that, o wait, wesstwood tried it, called soul Survivor and it failed miserably.

C&C4 is EA;s souls survivor.

[Schizobadger]

Sole Survivor hehe

I guess I am phase 1. Did the beta, tried to like it a few times but it always ended up just leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Thank the gods C&C3 still holds up pretty well (with mods).

[GeneralSGJist]

lol, i was making a jest, since some may claim C&C has lost its soul with the release of C&C4.......

[EddySaf]

Sole Survivor hehe

I guess I am phase 1. Did the beta, tried to like it a few times but it always ended up just leaving a bad taste in my mouth. Thank the gods C&C3 still holds up pretty well (with mods).

Whilst you wait for the next game and besides playing some C&C3 mods, maybe popping of heaps of rounds might help pass the time and I noticed your sig.
http://www.myemoticons.com/images/patriotic-military/guns-ammo/chain-gun.gif

[Elearen]

The stages are actually 5.

1.Denial
2.Anger
3.Bargaining
4.Depression
5.Acceptance

I was going to post that lol, I just trawled through the thread hoping that noone already did XD

[EddySaf]

I was going to post that lol, I just trawled through the thread hoping that noone already did XD

Those who enjoy playing C&C4 may not be experiencing any of those stages. :)

Kübler-Ross originally applied these stages to people suffering from terminal illness, later to any form of catastrophic personal loss (job, income, freedom). This may also include significant life events such as the death of a loved one, divorce, drug addiction, the onset of a disease or chronic illness, an infertility diagnosis, as well many tragedies and disasters.

[Jason_Zombolt]

I see most of the reaction in two camps, normal people who have reasonable gripes(DRM, the internet thing, etc.) and those wanting a derp(those saying the infantry look like toys, the avatar should never look like that)

I liked CNC4, there are things I did not like, yet that's every game. no game will be a Ace Combat 04 or a Resident Evil 2, but CnC4 is not the plauge as every member of the eclipse team promotes it is.

[GeneralSGJist]

Well, most of us acknowledge by enlarge, it was a failure to what it was ment to be, A C&C4. Sure it was an ok game, in my mind sub par, most reviews gave it a C= average. And in our mind, C&C games are not meant to just be average.

Also going off the premis that it was terrible allows us more creative freedom in remaking it as how it should have been. or at least makeing the game not average.

A game you need to play for a long time to realize it's depth has not done it's job right. As we said, most of people in the community never made it past stage 1.

Or conversely we can pretend that C&C4 is great, and the story and gameplay is somewhere we should pick up from. So Have our story just show after kane's acemtion, And try and piece the puzzle EA just through together to justify the Crawler mechanic they had planned.

[Jason_Zombolt]

Well, most of us acknowledge by enlarge,

That is where the problem lies. THose in the Fandumb dismissed CNC4 the seconded they heard about it, and to this day are calling it the worst CNC ever. Now I had said it's not the perfect game*, and people have different taste, yet this game is not the pague that the fan dumb has fortoled it. Yes the ending was weak, yet people got it in there head that this was the "End of CnC" when it was just an end to one story line, the story of Kane. How hell it did in that role is easily up for debate, yet if the discution starts with "CnC4 is the worst CNC of ALLL TIME" like many have, then we can not procied.

*BTW, What I consider the perfect game is Ace Combat 4. but that is me.

[stephanovich]

Never tried AC4, but I still love AC2 :D

[Jason_Zombolt]

Never tried AC4, but I still love AC2 :D
AC2 was awesome too, You should try the PS2 Aces sometime.

[EddySaf]

On seeing C&C4 maybe lots of fans went through stages like Jist mentioned, or some stages related to a significant life event of tragic proportions, something like experiencing the death of a loved one, or being told they had a terminal illness. But maybe not all fans experienced something like that for I did not.

I like the game and I even pre-ordered it and a year later I am still playing it. Certainly it is not the best C&C game and far from that, plus I was disappointed that the Scrin were not included. It's just a game and maybe the next C&C might be the best ever made and it might even contain the Scrin. If it's a Generals 2 game then so be it and I will be happy with that game too.

Back in March 2010 Samuel Bass in an interview mentioned that we want the universe to continue, and regarding the future of this game people who missed things like harvesting and base building you will be more accommodated in what we do next. He even mentioned something like the universe could continue, so if EA Hungary want to do another game in ten years time, they could do that. Who knows maybe Victory Games might do that sooner or later and Samuel Bass is at Victory Games, for about a year ago Samuel mentioned in the media I now work for JVC.

To me there was no significant life event of tragic proportions, and the universe might continue sooner or later. Well we will just wait and see what happens. Meanwhile as I like the game I'm not going to purify or burn the game with fire, instead I'll continue to enjoy playing it.
To me, The End... Is The Beginning.
Hey Samuel are you reading this. Eric might reply maybe.http://www.myemoticons.com/images/world/australia/expressions/hooroo.gif

[GeneralSGJist]

I find this interesting this thread is still going strong on its 10th page......
My mere concern is that people see it either as betraying 15 years of a series or a a game that should be praised for it's unique way of bringing a balanced game with diverse ideas. In my mind it is neither of those, but skewed toward the former.

If you as a person some how skip stages one or two, I must then question how long you have played C&C, which have you played? and any other RTS or non RTS games you have played that have similar gameplay like dow and WIC, and yes, your current and past relationship with any Craft games.

[EddySaf]

I must then question how long you have played C&C, which have you played? and any other RTS or non RTS games.

I got my first computer in 1982. I played Dune when it was released and in the same year Westwood released a rival game called Dune 2 which I bought and played too. From that scene I knew about a new game in Command and Conquer soon to be released and I bought it, and since then I played every C&C game that I could get my hands on. Over the years I have played heaps of other RTS games. If you find things difficult to understand then maybe you should reconsider about being a PsychoEngineer in training.
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[stephanovich]

If you as a person some how skip stages one or two, I must then question how long you have played C&C

Since 1995


which have you played?

All of them


and any other RTS or non RTS games you have played that have similar gameplay like dow and WIC

Besides WiC.....CoH if that counts. Lots of RTS's in general though like AoE or EE.


and yes, your current and past relationship with any Craft games.

I like starcraft 1+2.

[Jason_Zombolt]

I find this interesting this thread is still going strong on its 10th page......
My mere concern is that people see it either as betraying 15 years of a series or a a game that should be praised for it's unique way of bringing a balanced game with diverse ideas. In my mind it is neither of those, but skewed toward the former.

Can you just admit that is is not the worst game ever invented*

*BTW the worst game ever invented to me is "Shadow Tower" on the PS1.



If you as a person some how skip stages one or two, I must then question how long you have played C&C,
Since 1996

which have you played?
Starting with RA Retaliation on mt PS!, most of them, mostly from TFD pack, and on the 360, before getting my new computer.

and any other RTS or non RTS games you have played that have similar gameplay like dow and WIC,
I had borrowed WiC from the Library, and I liked it. I wish it had more russians. As for other RTS's in general, I dabled in End war and Age of empires. I also like the Gundam RTS.

and yes, your current and past relationship with any Craft games.
Starcraft was my first PC game, and I am still planning to get SC2... eventualy.

[GeneralSGJist]

I never said C&C4 was a terrible game, I'm merelly saying it's an averge or below average game aAND SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED as such.

It's apparent that some of you are more experienced and have a longer track record with RTS and computer games, this perspective hoas allowed you guys to look beyond the surface is which a good skill. But sometimes there is not much beneath the surface, and we need to admit it.

[Jason_Zombolt]

I never said C&C4 was a terrible game, I'm merelly saying it's an averge or below average game aAND SHOULD BE RECOGNIZED as such.

It's apparent that some of you are more experienced and have a longer track record with RTS and computer games, this perspective hoas allowed you guys to look beyond the surface is which a good skill. But sometimes there is not much beneath the surface, and we need to admit it.

Same can be said in reverse, where your first preconceptions of a subject will continualy objure you judgement on said topic. First impressions do mean a lot, and to many on this forum there first thought of CnC4 is very negative, and even with beta, they will still look for reasons to renforce this idea that they have.

CnC4 is not the best game, yet it is not the worst. you can say it's advarage, and I'll meet you there. I liked it, and it dose not deserve some of the hate, and it dose mess up on things. Yet with people lauding the first idea that CnC4 is horrible blinds them to seeing it for what it is, a command and conquer.

[GeneralSGJist]

But the thing is, most people would agree that a "command and conquer game" should not be just average. Do you think if Blizard's new Diablo III cane out, and turned out "Average: people would be satisfied?

C&C had a reputation, and C&C4 tarnishes it by being an "Average" game, simple as that.

It tried to be something it's not a high or decent quality "C&C", in the mind of many it failed terribly.

It's not that just the gameplay and story were objectionable or any DRM issue, or a rock paper like counter system that demands clutter, all these factors combined to make a sub par game, not worth the $50 many loyal fans payed. And not worth the "C&C" label we all held so high regard for.

Furthermore, the Tiberium FPS, a game that had so much more promise was canceled, and this was released. Sure it was a different format, but the atmosphere and feel of C&C and Tiberium were there.

Furthermore, none of the fans were even listened to at command com, or on the forums. No evidence that the feedback was heard. We told them during pre production, during alpha, during beta, during release, and still telling them one year later. Sure it was the choice of the executives, and much of the team were fired after the game was done.....

And Now EA thinks they can turn a new leaf with these new forums? that this sleek new aged look is cool and shows they care?

But instead of spending their resources on adding features, patching or fixing server kicks in C&C4, one year later they have a new site? it's questionable, if this is worth our time, if the community should "Forgive" EA for C&C4.....

Sure this sleek new forum may be a new foundation, but until we see C&C's reputation restored, people will always point and laugh at ow low C&C has fallen. SC2 proved the formula is not flawed, they enhanced and gave it a new coat, that is what we expect of a C&C, refining what has been tried and tested.

And even the implementation of the "new and refreshing" gameplay was not seen to it's full potential, nor half it.

In the end, C&C4 will be a stain on the history of C&C all future C&Cs will need to try and cover over. And that is what this new forum is really for, a platform to start teh painting over of C&C4, and the new C&C comeing this year. Rest assured, it will be a Tiberium game, attempting to rectify and cover over the ill handled C&C4.

I'll bet my Tiberian eclipse Co lead and project coordinator position on it.

[Jason_Zombolt]

You must really hate Command and conquer, I mean to consider the franchise dead after an "advarage" release? I mean you probably consider RA3 a faliure too. But you have to realise that "ok" dose not mean "failed". Many franchises have had ok releases and have had not collapse like you think CnC has*. I mean to hate a game soo much to doom the franchise until the maker conforms to YOUR exating ideals about what it should be? who made you, or me or anyone else the arbitor od CnC? And your other point of them not listening is wrong. About a few years ago, I asked APOC to get EA to release the original CnC and/or RA on the PSN/XLA to expand consoles role in RTS, and all three PS1 games are on the PSN. THis is one small case in many. Just because they did not listen to your demands dose not mean they did not listen. By the way, you compaiator, Starcraft II? you know holding on to a game for 10 years, then releasing it is a good way to mess with fans. I mean that's what Duke Nukem did, and the reactions are surprisingly similar...

*Games with ok releases that are healthy now, just to name a few.
Resident evil outbreak>RE4

Metal Gear Solid 2> MGS 3 Snake Eater

Super Mario 2> Super Mario 3

Halo ODST > Halo Reach

[Coolness7]

In the end, C&C4 will be a stain on the history of C&C all future C&Cs will need to try and cover over. And that is what this new forum is really for, a platform to start teh painting over of C&C4, and the new C&C comeing this year. Rest assured, it will be a Tiberium game, attempting to rectify and cover over the ill handled C&C4.

I'll bet my Tiberian eclipse Co lead and project coordinator position on it.

You better give it up to someone who wants it because that will never happen. Sure, C&C4 may have been somewhat of a failure in sales and reputation, but EA will NEVER admit that they destroyed the storyline with their piece of **** campaign, I just want to make that very clear to you. If its a Tiberium game (which its probably not) then it will go back to the roots, but it will NOT replace C&C4 no matter how messed up the canon is.

[GeneralSGJist]

I just said it would be a Tiberium game, not a C&C4 remake. And by that time, someone more qualified will probably be there to fil my flip flops XD

[Comp_Lex]

You have some odd definition for rectify. The only way you can set CNC4 straight is by replacing it with another CNC.

[GeneralSGJist]

Well, good games can cast long shadows......

[TonyP7]

I was at 3 the whole time, I don't know why, I was just happy to get another C&C game and it was a good internett game too with a co-op mode in singleplayer

[s8888d]

Was at 1, got to 3 pretty quickly , bypassing 2 :)

[GeneralSGJist]

wounder if this is still true more then a year later.......

[Reno]

http://wp.patheos.com/community/theanchoress/files/2011/06/double-facepalm.jpg

[EddySaf]

wounder if this is still true more then a year later.......

Still true??? The 3 stages that you mentioned NONE of them applied to me. I enjoyed playing the game since the game was released and I still enjoy playing it today.

[Incia]

http://wp.patheos.com/community/theanchoress/files/2011/06/double-facepalm.jpg

^^ Says it all. And why was this fail bumped?

[Coolness7]

I'm finding it interesting that just about everyone has the same initial reaction to C&C4, to sum it up

Stage 1:
"Where is the classic C&C stuff? Why did they change it?"

Stage 2:
Anger/ resignation or a combination of both, leading to ppl still here, who play sometimes, but still see its potential.

stage 3:
Realizing the game is actually fun in its own way, it no C&C, but it not asteroids or some thing lamer. Then see the depth in the game.


I would rather play asteroids and tetris for 15 minutes and where's the depth?

[StormWolf]

I pretty much am stuck in stage 2. I don't really want to go back to playing C&C 4 when one is enough. I have reached level 20 and completed both the campaigns. So I see no need to play it again.

Plus with Starcraft II coming out last year which was far superior to C&C 4. I got into it instead of the worst RTT game to come out last year.

[methuselah]

Fail closed :)