Donald Trump for President

[StormWolf]

Recently he has been appearing on new stations to talk about Obamas Presidency. There are plenty of rumors that he will run for president next year. But if he does how do you think he would do?

[Raos]

He would lose.

[CNCGeek101]

The most he would do is take votes away from other candidates in the primary races but him winning.....most likely not. Mr. Trump is tired of false promises being made by past presidents so we'll see what happens. A lot of what he says makes sense but can you get all this done with all the shifty politicians today is the main question.

[Alex06]

He won't win, and that's because he's a celebrity. Everyone's going to treat him as such instead of a legit candidate.

[Kyang]

How's his investigation into Obama going? Last I heard of him talk about it, I think he said something like, "You wouldn't believe what we found." without getting into specifics.

[CyborgBanana]

He'll get trumped.

[Lord-Vale3]

^^ Lol

Alex, thats not necessarily true. Reagan was a celebrity, and he won. Though Reagan was rather awesome so...

[ohither]

How's his investigation into Obama going? Last I heard of him talk about it, I think he said something like, "You wouldn't believe what we found." without getting into specifics.

well apparently awhile after that little episode obama's selective service number was released, can't be asked to go find it though cuz i'm on a tight deadline for a school assignment


He won't win, and that's because he's a celebrity. Everyone's going to treat him as such instead of a legit candidate.


*cough* Regan, Arnold *cough*

[Kermanit]

American politics,,,,,,,zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[D3preda7ion]

as far as im concerned there is only one American celebrity that is legit for to be the president:

http://topnews.in/light/files/Matt-Damon.gif

[Zocom7]

He won't win, and that's because he's a celebrity. Everyone's going to treat him as such instead of a legit candidate.

That reminds me of Meg Whitman going for California Governor. A financial billionaire cannot secure a victory to become that political role. I am sure that may be the same to Mr. Trump. As of now, no billionaire has ever been President of the US.

And as of that Matt Damon character, no.

It's very hard for another smart celebrity to become President, but there won't be another celebrity president like Reagan.

[xforever]

I think its nothing more than a publicity stunt. Once May 16th comes around, when NBC announces the line up for the next season, he'll most likely drop out to work on celebrity apprentice.

[RealWar]

Please no.
Just what the republicans need: another jack*ss billionaire who won't up taxes for his own class.
Rather see Paul Ryan be the republican candidate, but the last time he tried to run for a higher political position, his own party chose a nutjob instead (*cough*Scott Walker*cough*)

I'm pretty sick of politics right now, because most politicians want to play party politics instead of getting stuff done.

Plus, the whole thing of Trump making a big deal out of Obama's birth certificate makes him look like even more of a moron.

[NODSOLDIERGIRL]

as far as im concerned there is only one American celebrity that is legit for to be the president:

http://topnews.in/light/files/Matt-Damon.gif
I couldn't agree more :) ^^

[ohither]

Please no.
Just what the republicans need: another jack*ss billionaire who won't up taxes for his own class.


yeah because paying a 35% corporate tax on top of a high income tax isn't nearly enough on a person:rolleyes:


what we need isn't higher taxes, we need actual cuts on spending and government waste

[CyborgBanana]

I would say that the military budget needs a cut... but... the U.S. is really our only hope if it goes bad in the East... *wink*

[Kermanit]

as far as im concerned there is only one American celebrity that is legit for to be the president:

http://topnews.in/light/files/Matt-Damon.gif
Too much Guy Love

[Kyang]

I would say that the military budget needs a cut... but... the U.S. is really our only hope if it goes bad in the East... *wink*

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[CyborgBanana]

Well, there is many threats in the East... like North Korea. haha... lets just say I don't want no military cuts soon...

[gearmaster7]

Ahh politics, one side will say they know best, the other side says otherwise. Nobody knows until someone tries something. Personally I think that the u.s has a little too much military wise. I mean keep the infantry but do we need so many planes and tanks, who's going to invade us Canada? and really north Korea? You really think they're a threat? Most of the time I think they're just bluffing

[CyborgBanana]

The country is being run by a mad man. He is so focused on the military power of his country that he neglects the more important factors of sustaining a country. He has giving out threats of attack previously, he is power mad! Even if they are bluffing, you can never expect the least...

[Lord-Vale3]

Donald Trump.

Hair is a bird.

[CNCGeek101]

Everybody needs to pay their fair share here in the USA. Already brick and mortar stores are hurting because people keep buying stuff online to evade sales taxes in their respective areas. 9 senators want to bring up an Internet Sales Tax bill to even the playing field but if we can't agree on a budget then nothing else will get done.

Mr. Trump himself and others know this for a fact. it's just the world of politics and political gains tend to override everything else that should be done around here.

[Heron]

*hands up*

Isn't this about politics? Or are we allowed to discuss these stuff in a proper, civil manner?

[inAbag]

Everybody needs to pay their fair share here in the USA. Already brick and mortar stores are hurting because people keep buying stuff online to evade sales taxes in their respective areas. 9 senators want to bring up an Internet Sales Tax bill to even the playing field but if we can't agree on a budget then nothing else will get done.

Mr. Trump himself and others know this for a fact. it's just the world of politics and political gains tend to override everything else that should be done around here.


Think cuz its also easier to buy something online.

[gearmaster7]

The country is being run by a mad man. He is so focused on the military power of his country that he neglects the more important factors of sustaining a country. He has giving out threats of attack previously, he is power mad! Even if they are bluffing, you can never expect the least...
I could understand that he is mad enough to try. But he isn't going to get anywhere without a navy or an airforce, America could easily win the war against n. Korea, plus when he declares war he's going to lose one of his main food sources.

[CyborgBanana]

Meh, but still... North Korea would be the biggest threat to us all since WW2. Considering they have Nukes and are being run by a crazy dictator. Anyway, I'd like the U.S. to have this amount of military funding until some bit after the worlds oil runs out. :P

[Kyang]

I could understand that he is mad enough to try. But he isn't going to get anywhere without a navy or an airforce, America could easily win the war against n. Korea, plus when he declares war he's going to lose one of his main food sources.

In the last Korean war, they held the UN forces into a stalemate with mainly infantry, artillery, and only some air power anyway, so I'm not sure their lack of a navy or a big airforce is really anything to be confident about...

Then again, the Chinese were involved the last time, which is pretty unlikely now, so who knows.

[Klandri]

I think Trump is a moron but still I won't eliminate the possibility of him winning, provided he goes for it of course.

Also some people were talking about the US military budget, that figure is not entirely fair because many countries (most of Europe, South Korea and more) are dependent on US protection.

About the celebrity thing, Arnold did pretty well, as did the mayor of Reykjavík, Iceland's capital city. His name is Jón Gnarr (pronounced Yoan Gnarr) and is best known for being a highly successful comedian and an actor.
Here is the trailer of probably his best known role, after 3 seasons of incredibly popular TV shows. He is the bald guy with the glasses.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFhwWCTQlp4

Here is a stand-up comedy he made.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEzIu6Cv_Ek

And here is the video he made to advertise his party, note that many (if not most) of the people in the party are artists or singers.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxBW4mPzv6E

My point? No matter how stupid, a celebrity will have a decent chance of winning.

It is noteworthy that he promised to break all of his election-promises. (I don't know the English expression for this).

[ohither]

Meh, but still... North Korea would be the biggest threat to us all since WW2. Considering they have Nukes and are being run by a crazy dictator. Anyway, I'd like the U.S. to have this amount of military funding until some bit after the worlds oil runs out. :P

TBH i think china would side with NK if they think they have a chance of winning that conflict




what's more most programs that were cut would have cut costs over the long run, for example the F-35 project that was intended to replace about 5 different planes so that we'd save money on maintenance and could reduce the number of planes we'd have to maintain, sure the initial investment would have been large but over the long run we would have saved money


it's that kind of fail that is currently governing thinking on spending

[Kyang]

The F-35 was cut?

I thought nothing related to new planes was cut, just put on hold. The F-22 is being capped at 187 planes, while the manufacturing line is frozen in case we need to start it up again later. The F-35 only has the B variant put on probation until they solve its weight issue.

[CNCGeek101]

*hands up*

Isn't this about politics? Or are we allowed to discuss these stuff in a proper, civil manner?

We're talking about this in a civil manner so I'm letting this thread slide. Everybody is discussing this like grown ups actually should without getting worked up over nothing.

If this thread started going out in another direction from the start it would have been locked by now.

[Lord-Vale3]

In the last Korean war, they held the UN forces into a stalemate with mainly infantry, artillery, and only some air power anyway, so I'm not sure their lack of a navy or a big airforce is really anything to be confident about...

Then again, the Chinese were involved the last time, which is pretty unlikely now, so who knows.

Like you said, the Chinese were involved on NK's side. It wasnt really NK's that led to the stalemate, it was the Chinese.

As it looks today however, NK's actions have annoyed China a bit, and now China probably doesnt care if NK is defeated in a military action and a democratic united Korea is formed. What benifit does NK provide anyways? You have to give them food. You have to give them tech. They dont return anything.

[ohither]

The F-35 was cut?

I thought nothing related to new planes was cut, just put on hold. The F-22 is being capped at 187 planes, while the manufacturing line is frozen in case we need to start it up again later. The F-35 only has the B variant put on probation until they solve its weight issue.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-12/lockheed-martin-f-35-fighter-program-cut-by-budget-compromise.html


the intention was for the aircraft to replace all our other light ground attack craft like the F/A 18, F-16 and A-10 warthog, if that doesn't scream the program has been cut then idk what does

[Kyang]

Like you said, the Chinese were involved on NK's side. It wasnt really NK's that led to the stalemate, it was the Chinese.

As it looks today however, NK's actions have annoyed China a bit, and now China probably doesnt care if NK is defeated in a military action and a democratic united Korea is formed. What benifit does NK provide anyways? You have to give them food. You have to give them tech. They dont return anything.


I think you're right that China's annoyed, maybe even angry. Usually the Chinese never react to new developments with much speed. They like to hang back, look at the situation, ask all of their disjointed ministries what's the deal, review their options, and then release a very generalized and sterilized statement. The only time they really have a quick "reaction" is when they're operating off a script, at which point their "reaction", obviously isn't. So whenever the North Koreans do something, the delay in China's response is always telling. They don't like that NK is acting out, because that puts the spotlight on things they'd rather not talk about. Namely, their support for the regime in the first place.

From what I've read, there was never much camaraderie between the Communist nations, even in the early days around the 50's and 60's. Sure they shared tech, and yes they were allied against the big bad West, but aside from that and a lot of rhetoric, they played each other like they have for any stretch of time before they became Communist.

For example the Russians were really only interested in gobbling up China for the USSR, the North Koreans would later downplay all Chinese involvement in the Korean war, the Vietnamese made a play for Cambodia against Chinese warnings because they thought the USSR would check any Chinese intervention, only to find they miscalculated and China invaded them anyway right after the Americans retreated... And so on.

But when it comes down to it, they'd rather deal with each other than deal with the West, and that's where North Korea, despite really being the Kim Dynasty's playground working with China out of convenience, comes in. It's still valued by the Chinese as a critical buffer against the US. The Chinese prop them up because they actually do return a couple extremely valuable things, like a land barrier, and a "friendly" neighbor.

I also think the Chinese would hate to see Korea reunited since that has the added possibility of becoming a very strong future competitor, similar to Japan. Everyone knows that South Korea absorbing North Korea would be a massive investment in reconstruction and reeducation, and demobilization of a gigantic military machine, and that it would be South Korea that foots the bill. They know that will dent the South Korean economy for a long time, but it's not an impossible task, and once they recover, which they will, the Chinese fear the result. Not only that, but the Chinese look at their situation with North Korea as parallel to the USSR and East Germany. Once East Germany fell, the USSR wasn't far behind.

What's also crazy is the possibility that the US wouldn't want to see North Korea go either, since their very existence justifies a big military presence on the East Asian mainland. Retreating to Japan, or in the worst case, Guam, would be a terrible strategic blow. And India doesn't want to be played, or be seen as played as a puppet by anyone.

The Chinese could also benefit from just taking the western world view, but we know that's not going to happen, not with the Communists in power.

[Heron]

We're talking about this in a civil manner so I'm letting this thread slide. Everybody is discussing this like grown ups actually should without getting worked up over nothing.

If this thread started going out in another direction from the start it would have been locked by now.



Well, I hope that stuff like Libya and others can be discussed in a proper manner too...that got locked, sadly.

[Kyang]

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-04-12/lockheed-martin-f-35-fighter-program-cut-by-budget-compromise.html


the intention was for the aircraft to replace all our other light ground attack craft like the F/A 18, F-16 and A-10 warthog, if that doesn't scream the program has been cut then idk what does


The article just says that there was a proposal to trim the program budget, and it's not even just about the F-35 itself. It's about the alternate engine together with the costs of producing the plane.

Basically the story is this, the budget originally included initial production costs, as well as costs for the development of an alternate engine. The problem is, now they're saying there isn't enough money for both. Either keep both, and have less planes, or cut the engine, and produce the full number of planes they originally planned to build.

What's happened since then the article you linked to, is that funding for the alternate engine has been cut, so the intended initial production rate can stay. And that rate was about 30 some F-35's for this year.

The US was always going to get F-35's, that was never the question. The problems were, how many, how soon, and which versions, for how much.


EDIT:
Actually, GE, the company that was working on the alternate engine, is getting a group ready to lobby for the restoration of the program in 2012 budget. So the battle continues, lol.

[EddySaf]

The US was always going to get F-35's, that was never the question. The problems were, how many, how soon, and which versions, for how much.

Yes the US will get their F-35s and it's just a matter of how many and when. Meanwhile the US might have to hang on to some of their older planes a bit longer even though it will cost them more maintenance wise to do so.

For the F-35, Australia is one of the several major investors, a tier 3 customer plus some parts builder for the F-35. Politically what is happening now with the F-35 has some affect on Australia as the plan was to buy 114 F-35s, this pending on how the initial 14 delivered ones actually performed. Due to recent delays of the F-35 Australia has no choice but to keep some of our older Hornets which do cost dearly to maintain. Initially to fill the defence gap we had no choice but to buy 24 new Super Hornets, and due to the recent delays another 18 more Super Hornets have been ordered and should arrive when ready.

[Kyang]

Yes the US will get their F-35s and it's just a matter of how many and when. Meanwhile the US might have to hang on to some of their older planes a bit longer even though it will cost them more maintenance wise to do so.

For the F-35, Australia is one of the several major investors, a tier 3 customer plus some parts builder for the F-35. Politically what is happening now with the F-35 has some affect on Australia as the plan was to buy 114 F-35s, this pending on how the initial 14 delivered ones actually performed. Due to recent delays of the F-35 Australia has no choice but to keep some of our older Hornets which do cost dearly to maintain. Initially to fill the defence gap we had no choice but to buy 24 new Super Hornets, and due to the recent delays another 18 more Super Hornets have been ordered and should arrive when ready.


Lol, yeah, the F-35 is the only way Australia can buy into a stealth plane. Good luck.

[ohither]

Lol, yeah, the F-35 is the only way Australia can buy into a stealth plane. Good luck.

to be frank i highly doubt we'd sell the planes with that tech on them

[Kyang]

to be frank i highly doubt we'd sell the planes with that tech on them

Oh Australia is getting the planes alright. What America definitely isn't selling is the F-22. What I've read is that in some respects, the F-35 has inferior stealth anyway, so it's not really that big a deal.

What no one is getting out of the F-35 though, are software and codes of its systems even for maintenance, not even Britain. That means any servicing will have to be done in the US. Obviously America's "Allies", aren't pleased.

[EddySaf]

I've spent a lifetime in the Australian Airforce and I've seen and heard things that outside people do not know about and which are not written on webpages. A key asset the US wants Australia to look after is this Joint Defence Facility within Australia, and another new satellite facility in Western Australia, plus the US really does want Australia to still be a part of the "coalition of the willing". Think about it even from a political perspective.

http://members.wideband.net.au/safcav/1A/CnCPine.jpg

[Kermanit]

The US just want Your Kangeroos to train for suicide missions

[NODSOLDIERGIRL]

The US just want Your Kangeroos to train for suicide missions

Haha I just pictured that kinda sad and funny all at the same time lol

[EddySaf]

The US just want Your Kangeroos to train for suicide missions

Lest we forget.

http://www.101airborneww2.com/Wildbill.jpg

[Zocom7]

Sorry to tell you this guys, but Trump's not going for it for good this time:
http://swampland.time.com/2011/05/16/donald-trump-says-no-to-campaign-yes-to-more-meatloaf/

It's back to the drawing table and his good reality show he's still running. My conclusion is that Trump's brief appearance is definitely a political stunt.

And this article I found interests me, Trump's got weaknesses!
http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2068227,00.html

[StormWolf]

Well I guess it was just a publicity stunt to get some attention to his show and to himself. But as I heard from other people they said that even if he became president he couldn't fix the economy himself. He would have to get help from the other branches.

[Kermanit]

Donald the hair has decided to not run for presidancy.....thank god we don't need another Bush

[RealWar]

Donald the hair has decided to not run for presidancy.....thank god we don't need another Bush
Trump would be ten billion times worse.

[ohither]

Trump would be ten billion times worse.


as opposed to the noob in chief we have now?

[RealWar]

as opposed to the noob in chief we have now?
Obama? Or the "Noob in chief" we did have?

[Zocom7]

Obama? Or the "Noob in chief" we did have?

Obama has experience so he's definitely not a "noob in chief".

[ohither]

Obama has experience so he's definitely not a "noob in chief".

so one term as a US senator counts as experience to be the president these days?



Obama? Or the "Noob in chief" we did have?
ahem....


as opposed to the noob in chief we have now?

[Tiderion]

so one term as a US senator counts as experience to be the president these days?

Abraham Lincoln: one term as a US Representative before being elected to the Presidency. Overwhelmingly believed to be America's best president.

People can keep saying this stuff but the reality is there are only a few qualifications to be president. They're in the Constitution. Everything else is fodder for elections.

[ohither]

Abraham Lincoln: one term as a US Representative before being elected to the Presidency. Overwhelmingly believed to be America's best president.

yes, because one term as a US representative was the ONLY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln) major political experience abe had :rolleyes:

[Tiderion]

yes, because one term as a US representative was the ONLY (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln) major political experience abe had :rolleyes:

You're right. He was also a member of the Illinois House. Of course, Obama also served but in the Illinois Senate. But that must not count to you.

[ohither]

You're right. He was also a member of the Illinois House. Of course, Obama also served but in the Illinois Senate. But that must not count to you.

before becoming president Abe Lincoln was a:

Postmaster

Lawyer

County Surveyor

Captain in the Illinois Militia during the Black Hawk War.

Representative in the house

before running for president Obama was a:

Community Organizer

Professor for law

State Senator

US senator




hardly what i would call a very close comparison

[Kyang]

Lol, Postmaster.

[Klandri]

as opposed to the noob in chief we have now?

Yes, as opposed to the "noob in chief" you have now.

[Kermanit]

before becoming president Abe Lincoln was a:

Postmaster

Lawyer

County Surveyor

Captain in the Illinois Militia during the Black Hawk War.

Representative in the house

before running for president Obama was a:

Community Organizer

Professor for law

State Senator

US senator




hardly what i would call a very close comparison

You forgot to say Abe was white Havy

[Feloidea]

You forgot to say Abe was white Havy

So is Obama ...

[Kermanit]

So is Obama ...

LIEZ....and you should do a Trump combover Feloida it might make you attractive