[Game #11] Tiberian Sun vs Generals

[EA_CIRE]

Happy Voting!

[Incia]

Tib Sun

[HOPE1134]

Oh this is a tough one

[SpeederMO]

Tiberian Sun had a great atmopshere but the gameplay was just.. luckily there's TI.
This vote goes to Generals.

[AthCom]

Tiberian Sun all the way. If Generals wins this, I've lost all hope regarding the community really..

[Flame-IORI]

I'll go for Generals

[Hiroma]

TibSun. Generals are not part of C&C ,but still a good game in its own right.

[OnzaRain]

Generals - That is right! I like it!

[GammaCobra]

Generals, cuz I give it a chance since I knew Tiberian Sun gonna win over this

[Beinrangel]

Voted Tib Sun on this one.

It was a hard choice, but i feel that Tib Sun had more atmosphere to it, felt like you where part of the story.

Generals is also a very good game IMO, but storyline-wise it lacked alot i think.

[DIABOL_RTS]

Tiberian sun had BEST atmosphere!

[toti]

thats easy. tib suns my fav game. i still play it.
although generals was cool and i really like the nuke animation, it doesnt have the same good story, atmosphere, kane and all that stuff that makes me love tib sun. thats y i dont play generals anymore. ive played some mods but keep in mind that we talk about the game and not the mods.

peace through POWER !!!

[drollie]

generals i really didn't like tib sun for some reason probably because it's so old

[Golan2781]

Argh, tough choice. I adore TS for its setting and story, but Generals has the superior gameplay and mission design by far.

If this were a vote on best story... TS would win. But Generals is simply the better, more fun, game.

[StormWolf]

Tiberian Sun was a fun game... the first play through. It had a few issues that I just couldn't take a second time through. Especially some of the characters were annoying (Coughs) McNeil.

So my vote goes to Generals because it is way better than TS with its better gameplay, mission design, and balance of units.

[PizzaAtomica]

For me Tiberian Sun had the better story, better atmosphere, more fun and iconic units, much more interesting maps, and better gameplay (yes really).
Also, it had FMV's, MCV's, a sidebar, Tiberium, GDI, Nod, Kane, Mechs, Cyborgs, Engineers, Cabal, ion storms, veinhole monsters, walls, gates, and, last but not least, Umagon's epic cleavage.

Tiberian Sun wins.

Kane agrees:

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r257/PizzaAtomica/KaneKnowsBest.png

[DetroyT]

Only GENERALS !!!!!!!!!!

[AthCom]

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r257/PizzaAtomica/KaneKnowsBest.png

I approve.

[DetroyT]

http://i26.fastpic.ru/big/2011/0715/5b/63aef0f02de4735dcf342d2e3289fc5b.jpg (http://fastpic.ru/)

...or Die !

[AthCom]

^^^ is unepic and fail.

No video in video gaming history is as epic as this. Tiberian Sun for the future!
http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/7254-command-conquer-tiberian-sun-platinum-edition-windows-screenshot.jpg

[PizzaAtomica]

http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/7254-command-conquer-tiberian-sun-platinum-edition-windows-screenshot.jpg

^^ Hassan voted for Generals.

[Coolness7]

Ugh..... This is hard

I'm going to vote Tiberian Sun because we all know that Zero Hour wins in the end because KW was #2.

[DetroyT]

In C&C series has only two real games: Generals and Generals Zero hour !!!!!!!!!!

[AthCom]

^^ Hassan voted for Generals.

His treachery was even worse than I thought!

[Coolness7]

If Tiberian Sun doesn't win i'm going to laugh my *** off..... and then get sad :p

[Plrsvek]

Voted Tiberian Sun, and looks like I made it 50-50.

I haven't played Generals myself, but I think TS was a fantastic sequal to TD. It gained a lot more units, great atmosphere, great unit designs, the cutscenes were a lot better, it progressed the story in a great way, the new Forgotten faction was awesome. So basicly it improved Tiberian Dawn by pretty much everything.

I've heard Generals was great, I wouldn't mind if it won trough. But I hope EA and VG will look at them both to take out all the bad things. The gameplay in Generals looked nice

[AbdelMuXavA]

Tiberium most should die together with C&C4. The history is dead.

Real Time Strategy - It is the world of Generals and hundreds fans of popular game.

[Vayjir]

Tiberian Sun one of the most epic rts games ever made.

[AthCom]

Tiberium most should die together with C&C4. The history is dead.

Real Time Strategy - It is the world of Generals and hundreds fans of popular game.

I almost choked in my tea. WHAT?

Generals consists of:
the US of A -- of course..
Some Al-Qaeda rip-off
and in order not to put Russia or the Soviet Union in -again-, well maybe some other 'communist' superpower: China! GENIUS!

Whoopdeedoooo. Story is lame, factions are lame.

[Bommetje]

Tiberian sun, because that was the first C&C game I Played and liked! :)

[Coolness7]

Tiberium most should die together with C&C4. The history is dead.

Real Time Strategy - It is the world of Generals and hundreds fans of popular game.

Yes the Tiberium universe needs to just die or at least not continue on with the 2077+ crap
Hahaha what? Somehow something just went horribly wrong people like Generals for the wrong reasons. But at least you know what a decent game is.
http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/8426000/ngbbs442ee3de6e4cd.jpg

[faisal22]

I love Generals universes because it close to realty that other C&C game to date. I hope for General or Zero hour to win this tournament, so we can have another General game that is updated with new weapon, new country's and good story line with 12 per side mission. Come on General fan cast your vote to support your favorite game to the win. Remember your vote matter and could be your 1 vote can make difference between winner or loser. your favorite game need you. it time to rise up Generals.

[AthCom]

^^ Propaganda!

If you don't vote for Tiberian Sun, your body will be burned in the smelting fires of an unnamed factory, as is the custom for traitors.

And now, happy voting!

[Zocom7]

Tiberian Sun > Generals on story, but Generals > Tib Sun on balancing and gameplay.

[TGIXXER]

Definitly Generals

[Existor]

Generals - good gameplay.

Tiberian Sun - great story and a lot non-balanced nice things, like subterranean transport and units, deformable ground, lazer walls, firestorm walls, chemical super weapons and harvesting, etc. It was great times and TS was my first C&C game.

[faisal22]

where are General fans, come on people we need all General and zero hour fan help vote out C&C2: Tiberian Sun to nuclear waste, if you don't then Dr.thrax will make a house call to your home personally.:mad:

[TeKaFu]

people who vote the Singleplayer are dumb..... Tib Sun was a noob multiplayer game.... if you forgot fo 1-4 min to build units you lost, cause it doesn t matter how many factories you got you build always with the Speed of one : D

[Coolness7]

people who vote the Singleplayer are dumb..... Tib Sun was a noob multiplayer game.... if you forgot fo 1-4 min to build units you lost, cause it doesn t matter how many factories you got you build always with the Speed of one : D
Almost makes me want to change my vote.... almost ^_^

[AthCom]

people who vote the Singleplayer are dumb..... Tib Sun was a noob multiplayer game.... if you forgot fo 1-4 min to build units you lost, cause it doesn t matter how many factories you got you build always with the Speed of one : D

Just because I don't like MP, I'm dumb. Thanks. So you would rather have a crappy game with good MP? Tiberian Sun is iconic. I bet most Generals voters never touched Tiberian Sun.

[Madin]

Come on Tiberian Sun!

[Noodlesocks]

I could never really get in to either but I played generals more than TS so generals it is :)

[gwandi]

Tiberium most should die together with C&C4. The history is dead.

Real Time Strategy - It is the world of Generals and hundreds fans of popular game.

**** the R in RTS has nothing to do with the real life date you fool.

[RB0002]

generals.

[Minibar]

Tiberian Sun!

[Klandri]

Wow, this is hard! My two favorite ones. My vote has to go to Generals though, it's much more advanced.

[SwerydAss]

Tiberian sun... Static economy points in Generals killed the fun for me.

[SVK32]

tib sun is the most atmospheric rts i have ever played

[CyborgBanana]

TS beats Generals in every category except MP and graphics. So my vote goes for TS.

(But why keep this going? Some jackass keeps making loads of accounts to vote up Generals anyway.)

[Magnus20]

Tiberian Sun of course

[SupremeGenerals2]

Generals definately.

[MAT_13]

TS is the most epic C&C game. Generals is no C&C at all, if that game wins the contest this is going to be as huge as shock as closing WS.

[Gilleous]

To those that insist that only MP matters and that people that vote for SP are being foolish... please go to the Escapist and check this week's Jim Sterling's Jimquisition. It sums up my opinion on the matter (for those that don't want to go, in short MP can be nice feature that can enhance a game but it is not the end all of a game's quality, that a good game stands on its own with or without MP). Even shorter: SP matters, actually it is what utimately defines if a game is good and will be remembered (unless it is MMO, which exists only as a MP game). But wait... this is an RTS!! So MP is important but it does not circumvent the need for a solid SP game too.

Now I got the ugly out of the way *wipes froth from mouth*. Generals was a decent game but I never got myself to finish it. TS however... I remember going to my friend's place to play it and finish it (as GDI) and I watched him play Nod. TS was a great game, yes dated by today's standard (2.5D graphics) but at the time it was good, and though it did not reinvent the RTS forumla (neither did SC2, so I always found that criticism against CnC a little double standard) it did a lot to improve on it. It delivered a game that had a solid story, a good campaign, a compelling setting that had you wanting to explore more, brought Kucan back as Kane, and it had James Earl Jones too. I can imagine it was fun to play MP too. In short it was a very atmospheric game and a great game all around. The FMV were a blast to watch.

So yes, TS gets my vote and whole heartedly, it past the most important test any game can... the test of time.

[markgrrr]

Tib Sun had something good

[drollie]

Just because I don't like MP, I'm dumb. Thanks. So you would rather have a crappy game with good MP? Tiberian Sun is iconic. I bet most Generals voters never touched Tiberian Sun.

i did vote generals and i have played tib sun, story is better but gameplay of generals is better and for me that counts way more than story does

[MasloS]

Tiberian Sun.

[Reno]

No brainer for me - Generals.

[Magnus20]

To those that insist that only MP matters and that people that vote for SP are being foolish... please go to the Escapist and check this week's Jim Sterling's Jimquisition. It sums up my opinion on the matter (for those that don't want to go, in short MP can be nice feature that can enhance a game but it is not the end all of a game's quality, that a good game stands on its own with or without MP). Even shorter: SP matters, actually it is what utimately defines if a game is good and will be remembered (unless it is MMO, which exists only as a MP game). But wait... this is an RTS!! So MP is important but it does not circumvent the need for a solid SP game too.

Now I got the ugly out of the way *wipes froth from mouth*. Generals was a decent game but I never got myself to finish it. TS however... I remember going to my friend's place to play it and finish it (as GDI) and I watched him play Nod. TS was a great game, yes dated by today's standard (2.5D graphics) but at the time it was good, and though it did not reinvent the RTS forumla (neither did SC2, so I always found that criticism against CnC a little double standard) it did a lot to improve on it. It delivered a game that had a solid story, a good campaign, a compelling setting that had you wanting to explore more, brought Kucan back as Kane, and it had James Earl Jones too. I can imagine it was fun to play MP too. In short it was a very atmospheric game and a great game all around. The FMV were a blast to watch.

So yes, TS gets my vote and whole heartedly, it past the most important test any game can... the test of time.

Holy Sh*t ... Deja-vu
The first time i played TS was at my friends house too :D
He played GDI and played NOD
I remember when we always discussed about the campaign and kane
Awesome times

[Zajin]

I did not play Tiberium sun... or wait I did but I dont remember much from it, i guess i won't vote.

[ScotlanD]

Generals

[Zajin]

Your signatures does give it away :p

[ScotlanD]

just a bit hehe:D tib sun is the only C&C besides C&C4 I never really got into!

So voting for generals is a no brainier since its one of my favourite C&C games!

This site is pretty much ran by all the tiberium fans :P so I expect for TS to win this, if the poll was on Gamereplays would be a landslide for Generals as its mostly multiplayer err players who are there!

[CCGMurder]

Generals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TibSun.

PS: You suck Scots. :P

[Viking]

generals ofc, tib sun was a fail and generals got the best multiplayer so far.

[CrazyGDIfan123`]

ts was my first multiplayer rts and also one of my favourites of all time with its great atmosphere and singleplayer

generals, although i never got into the multiplayer, ive had a glimpse into it via some replays etc... and by far its easily the most well designed, balanced and varied cnc to date, and also one that strikes a great balance between realism and gameplay. i feel its a pity i didnt get into the game earlier.

But most of the time i spent with gens was really in its singleplayer campaign, which despite the lack of a proper storyline... well that didnt matter anyway because imo the missions were just high on the coolness factor!

so my vote goes for generals.

[CCGMurder]

All of the people in here that vote for TS probably sucked at CCG or never played it online. Or a combination of that. It's extremely superior to TS. The balance, the unit mixes, the economy, micro, macro etc.. It's unique. And the best RTS ever made till CCG2 comes out.

[faisal22]

read CyborgBanana
CyborgBanana is offline

OK, Every body have their favorite game out here, but what make you think every single one of them have multiple account to support general universe. I can say the same thing about C&C2: Tiberian Sun fan as well, but can you prove it my friend. If you have prove show it to the world. If not stop crying and shut up.

[CCGMurder]

None is voting with multiple accounts as far as i know. You just can't take it that TibSun is getting owned by a superior game. The link got posted on Gamereplays today. And within a hour CCG has passed TibSun. Says enough.

[GDIdefence12]

Generals!

[stephanovich]

The only thing I really liked about TS was the story and some missions. Other than that it was a huge let down for me. The gameplay was just so boring, I didn't like the balance and most of the time you spammed the same thing over and over again and that big difference in tech between TD and TS just.....ARGH!!!

Generals, despite lacking any real story, had excellent missions and gameplay and I could just keep on playing it and never get bored.

[CnC_Fin]

This one is hard choice too, TS had awesome atmosphere, cutscenes, campaigns...

Generals was the first 3D C&C game and kicked ***...

But this one goes for Tiberian Sun

[PizzaAtomica]

None is voting with multiple accounts as far as i know.

Well except for this guy: http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=803854&st=20&p=8577639&#entry8577639

" Comrad, you can do great deal for all of us!
You can vote 2-3 times even 10 or more. (which implies he sure as hell did)
Couse mail is not checking at registration.
Help ZH to beat noob KW. "

[CCGMurder]

You on GR aswell Pizza?

[ScotlanD]

ZH scum!!! zero hour is terrible going to go vote for KW!!

[PizzaAtomica]

Nope, but I just found out I do have an account there but I don't even remember making it lol. :confused: Maybe I just did that once to make sure nobody else could use my name. :)

[ScotlanD]

Its basically the generals players site :P none of them really come here! I posted a link there so some will probably join here now :D

P,S KW has been cheated :(

[DetroyT]

61 vs 59 ! Generals Forever !
http://i26.fastpic.ru/big/2011/0715/5b/63aef0f02de4735dcf342d2e3289fc5b.jpg

[Trixxta]

Generals! All the last C&C's were a joke.

[HOPE1134]

Wait WTF? I thought TS is beating Gen...

[DHzDesireN]

Obviously had to vote for Gens, best game ever.

[AthCom]

Generals with its boring storyline and crappy, generic factions wins from TS. Really.

Only RA2 has the chance to beat 'omg I love MW games' then. Are you kidding me?

[Rarely]

Generals, the rest of cnc sucks anyway

[HOPE1134]

We still got a couple days left to vote

TS will still have a chance in beating Gen

[Meyerm]

Tiberian Sun was the first pc C&C I ever played. The GDI campaign for the game was the best out of ANY C&C ever made in my opinion. I'm going with Tib Sun.

[Coolness7]

Damn so the one I voted for is actually going to lose this time.....
http://www.goldenseed.co.uk/imageshtml/bentcop.jpg

[hajo1972]

generals of course......what a question....

[mirza044]

Here we go again: new account - one post (or maybe two) - vote for Generals. Same thing that happened with KW vs ZH voting. This whole voting has now become pointless.

[CCGMurder]

Generals bashing on TibSun. :D

[ScotlanD]

Generals with its boring storyline and crappy, generic factions wins from TS. Really.

Only RA2 has the chance to beat 'omg I love MW games' then. Are you kidding me?

Generals had 3 superbly designed, balanced and very unique factions... all with a different play style and feel to them.

[stephanovich]

Here we go again: new account - one post (or maybe two) - vote for Generals. Same thing that happened with KW vs ZH voting. This whole voting has now become pointless.

Considering how few of the accounts here actually posts it is not that weird. Could be someone who has created multiple accounts, but he wouldn't need to actually post in the thread every time. Besides, in a 10 minute span I was KW get over 20 votes to pull away, looked back again a few hours later and they where tied....so if it happened, it happened on both side. It still is ridiculous if someone did it though. Just ruins the fun. It was a really exciting poll and then someone might have ruined it :/


Generals with its boring storyline and crappy, generic factions wins from TS. Really.

Only RA2 has the chance to beat 'omg I love MW games' then. Are you kidding me?

No story and generic factions yes, but it does have the best gameplay (IMO) of any C&C game, excellent balance, great mission designs, great pace, 3 very different play styles and overall just amazing to play.

What does TS have going for it other than a better story and FMV?

[Coolness7]

I just don't see the point in voting for Generals I mean Zero Hour already has a top spot and is probably going to win so just give Tiberian Sun a chance.

[ScotlanD]

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=804234&pid=8580996&st=0&#entry8580996

.....

um coolness ZH is shite most generals players hate it hence why they place generals and not the expansion ^

[stephanovich]

I just don't see the point in voting for Generals I mean Zero Hour already has a top spot and is probably going to win so just give Tiberian Sun a chance.

Why would I vote for something I think is worse? Give it a chance? Ehm...if it loses it loses because most people voting thought it was worse. The expansion doesn't have anything to do with this vote. In the thread CIRE originally made, he said "choose your favorite C&C game" which is what I and many others are doing.

@DHzDesireN

Post without using cursewords and without flaming and it won't be removed.

[Coolness7]

Alright lets go see Generals VS Zero Hour in the final round should be fun.

[ScotlanD]

Why would I vote for something I think is worse? Give it a chance? Ehm...if it loses it loses because most people voting thought it was worse. The expansion doesn't have anything to do with this vote. In the thread CIRE originally made, he said "choose your favorite C&C game" which is what I and many others are doing.

Exactly, I rate ZH as the second worse C&C game so would not want it to win for sure!

Red Alert 2 vs Generals it should be, Generals, RA2 and Tib Dawn are the best games

[DHzDesireN]

lol someone keeps deleting my posts.

[Coolness7]

lol someone keeps deleting my posts.

Same

Just let them speak their minds sheesh

[DHzDesireN]

http://forums.commandandconquer.com/jforum/user/profile/3142.page

[DHzDesireN]

yeah they delete the post cuz i provide proof were not making multis, but clearly who ever has mod powers is TS fan so he delete evidence n hope vote gets overturned ****

[Coolness7]

Lol I don't need to vote extra times I already know the outcome of these games. All I got to do now is just bet and win.

Oh btw how can you play regular Generals? Its so **** boring without the subfactions.

[ScotlanD]

You clearly have never played a real generals match then, its a true RTS where you actually need to use strategy and tactics

[DHzDesireN]

Subfactions give ZH some uniqueness, but it's impossible to balance a game when you have 9 different armies, so in the end have 3 armies is much better.

[Coolness7]

You clearly have never played a real generals match then, its a true RTS where you actually need to use strategy and tactics

Are you kidding me? You want to talk about Real RTS? Tiberian Sun took way more strategy than Generals where people just sit back and let artillery do all the work. How about Starcraft where you only have a limited amount of units at one time which forces you to analyze your opponents moves and counter them with minimal losses to your own forces!? No I haven't played a "real" generals match with only 90 different kinds of units that basically do the same thing in different ways if I wanted that I would've played C&C4......

[ScotlanD]

thats a no then, lol at artillery :)

[Coolness7]

I get the strange feeling that Generals might beat Yuri's Revenge for the same reasons tsk tsk tsk

[stephanovich]

Are you kidding me? You want to talk about Real RTS? Tiberian Sun took way more strategy than Generals where people just sit back and let artillery do all the work.

I've never even seen that :| Don't think it would work either really. If it is the support power you only get it once every 6 minutes which doesn't do enough to get you the win at all and the units are fragile and easily taken out with aircraft or fast ground units.

[Coolness7]

I've never even seen that :| Don't think it would work either really. If it is the support power you only get it once every 6 minutes which doesn't do enough to get you the win at all and the units are fragile and easily taken out with aircraft or fast ground units.

Yeah but they always protect the artillery with a large enough force to actually invade so they could use all the units to try to defeat you but instead they just stay in rows protecting the cannons.

[stephanovich]

What would stop me from destroying them exactly?

[ScotlanD]

what the? lol then 20 migs come and napalm them all ? haha

[ScotlanD]

What would stop me from destroying them exactly?

im guessing he never tried and just quit :P

[Coolness7]

im guessing he never tried and just quit :P

Lol I always got them but I just thought it was lame that they just hung back there and never actually went for a close battle. Going back and forth with rocket buggies is not impressive at all.....

[stephanovich]

Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaah that would make any game boring. Thank god I've never played against someone like that :S

[Magnus20]

C&C2: Tiberian Sun
62 48.06%

Generals
67 51.94%

you have to be fucking kidding me
i think i am going to quit the community

[ScotlanD]

Rocket buggy's are only useful in GLA mirrors, slightly against USA, but both USA and China can wipe the floor with them using air!

The speed and scale of generals makes it pretty much impossible to win or even last long just using artillery units.

[Vayjir]

Seems like someone is spamming new accounts again >.>

[ScotlanD]

http://www.gamereplays.org/community/index.php?showtopic=804234&pid=8581496&st=0&#entry8581496

or the MUCH bigger generals community is showing support? <.< ....

[Coolness7]

I don't even know why these things last for a week. 3 days and you already know who's going to win

btw: LOL @ the admin on that page "TIB SUN SUCKS THE ****" ****

[ScotlanD]

its dose :D

[Magnus20]

I don't even know why these things last for a week. 3 days and you already know who's going to win

btw: LOL @ the admin on that page "TIB SUN SUCKS THE ****" ****

Yep, because that admin is a 13 year old kid

[RA3-Hogo]

TibSun

[ccgownzuall]

ccg,no doubt.

[ccgownzuall]

ccg is the best

[Magnus20]

ccg is the best

you just created an account to vote for generals?
and i bet its not the only one

[SpeCoV1k]

you just created an account to vote for generals?

I think that - yes. a lot of players from numerous community generals have registered on this site only to cast their vote favorite game. What else?

[VERAJUAN]

Hello, i am new to the community. I thought it was spectacular these votes, i am going to vote for los generales, since it is a game that brings me memories.

[Commander_McNash]

Generals, of course.

[CCGMicro]

CCG. Vote it!

[scotsmansux]

ccg ftw

[Sfr0oOt]

Generals for sure...

[AthCom]

C&C2: Tiberian Sun
62 48.06%

Generals
67 51.94%

you have to be fucking kidding me
i think i am going to quit the community

I feel your pain. It's sad really.

[[wog]Generals]

CCG
I do not criticize tiberium sun but I took myself never as much in the game as with generals

[ccgownzuall]

you just created an account to vote for generals?
and i bet its not the only one

How dare you make unfounded,unsubstantiated claims.

[AthCom]

No story and generic factions yes, but it does have the best gameplay (IMO) of any C&C game, excellent balance, great mission designs, great pace, 3 very different play styles and overall just amazing to play.

What does TS have going for it other than a better story and FMV?

Gameplay, well I'll grant you your opinion. ; ) Generals is balanced better than TS, yes. I myself really didn't care for the mission design at all, but maybe that's just me. Very different play styles? Personally, I don't think so, but you're entitled to your opinion. Amazing to play? Not to me, for MP maybe, but I don't care about that.

Better story, FMVs, better units, better unit design, better missions, better atmosphere, CABAL, great dialogue (well except for egotistical McNeil, I suppose), there were no clearcut good sides (GDI covertly making Hassan execute Slavik, instead of taking the moral high ground).

Imo, the only reason Generals is winning is because of its MP, which I find sad.

My opinion on Generals was somewhere on this forum, I will look it up and edit it in.

Here:

Generals consists of:
the US of A -- of course..
Some Al-Qaeda rip-off
and in order not to put Russia or the Soviet Union in -again-, well maybe some other 'communist' superpower: China! GENIUS!

Whoopdeedoooo. Story is lame, factions are lame.

Edit #2: Also, I found the pre-mission briefings quite interesting to hear. Especially CABAL's briefings. If you've played TibSun, you'll know what I mean.

Plus, TibSun, while having a linear story, had sidemissions.

[ccgownzuall]

We don't care about the "story".all we care about is game-play and fun factor.clearly,ccg owns you all in that regard.

[ccgownzuall]

CCG is the best...dont deny it.LUKE,I AM YOUR FATHER...HOOOOOOR.

[Feloidea]

CCG is the best...dont deny it.LUKE,I AM YOUR FATHER...HOOOOOOR.

Naw, he just dinged his mother.

And I think we are pretty good at denying. I say we are at denial capacity.

[AthCom]

We don't care about the "story".all we care about is game-play and fun factor.clearly,ccg owns you all in that regard.
That's quite sad.


CCG is the best...dont deny it.LUKE,I AM YOUR FATHER...HOOOOOOR.
It's "No, I am your father."

[ScotlanD]

22 actually :D

I don't know whats sadder, the people claiming how bad Generals is without ever really playing it or the people who can't comprehend the fact that it still has a large and very supportive/loyal community :cool:

[AthCom]

22 actually :D

I don't know whats sadder, the people claiming how bad Generals is without ever really playing it or the people who can't comprehend the fact that it still has a large and very supportive/loyal community :cool:

I have played it, liked it, but it's not better than Tiberian Sun imo.
Even then you cannot deny that..


We don't care about the "story".all we care about is game-play and fun factor.clearly,ccg owns you all in that regard.
.. that's quite sad.

[GammaCobra]

Tiberian Sun vs Generals is like equal to CoD:Modern Warfare vs Battlefield: Bad Company -_-'
No wonder there are Wars between the two Universes in this thread
And I bet that Tiberian Sun will win this vote because of its Die-Hard and "Senior" Fans

[ScotlanD]

Its miles better than Tib sun... if you take away the cut scenes the game is nothing, how is that sad? you would rather spend your time playing a terrible game just to watch a few min of clips rather than play a well made game that's lots of fun?

[AthCom]

Tiberian Sun vs Generals is like equal to Battlefield: Bad Company vs CoD:Modern Warfare -_-'

Fixed.



Its miles better than Tib sun... if you take away the cut scenes the game is nothing, how is that sad? you would rather spend your time playing a terrible game just to watch a few min of clips rather than play a well made game that's lots of fun?

I'd rather play TibSun without FMVs than Generals without FMVs, purely because Generals is unimaginative and lame.

[ScotlanD]

You have never played generals then.

[AthCom]

You have never played generals then.

I have. I have both Generals and ZH. Liked them both, but not as much as the Tiberium or RA series.

[ScotlanD]

Nope, you have not PLAYED generals. There is a difference ;)

[Paueel_Soryu]

Ccg

[AthCom]

Nope, you have not PLAYED generals. There is a difference ;)

Spare me the semantics.

[CrazyGDIfan123`]

its not really semantics... hes right

generals' singleplayer may lack a proper storyline, but thats not what the game was designed for.

it was designed primarily for the multiplayer experience, and this is something it delivers extremely well - it is an experience you can never describe as 'lame' and 'unimaginative' if you have actually played it.

[ScotlanD]

No, you have fooled yourself into thinking you have played Generals... you have yet to actually play it and experience what makes it so special, yet you continue to judge it. You described it as unimaginative yet Generals is a game that lets the player create and use there imagination more than any other C&C. You can play it for years and still discover new things, its a game that is miles ahead of any other C&C game to date and that is the reason it has so much history and support despite such challenges as poor support from EA and a bunch of people who seem to think a game has to have nod, GDI and cut scenes to be a command and conquer so complete disown it.

[AthCom]

its not really semantics... hes right

generals' singleplayer may lack a proper storyline, but thats not what the game was designed for.

it was designed primarily for the multiplayer experience, and this is something it delivers extremely well - it is an experience you can never describe as 'lame' and 'unimaginative' if you have actually played it.

I have stated enough times that I do not like MP. If that's what it's designed for, am I not right too? I was talking about SP and in that regard it is unimaginative and lame. If actually playing a game means a MP ladder competition, then I haven't played a single game. Happy?


No, you have fooled yourself into thinking you have played Generals... you have yet to actually play it and experience what makes it so special, yet you continue to judge it. You described it as unimaginative yet Generals is a game that lets the player create and use there imagination more than any other C&C. You can play it for years and still discover new things, its a game that is miles ahead of any other C&C game to date and that is the reason it has so much history and support despite such challenges as poor support from EA and a bunch of people who seem to think a game has to have nod, GDI and cut scenes to be a command and conquer so complete disown it.

I do not think that at all. I just think that the Generals factions are really, really generic and boring. I still play it from time to time, but I get more satisfaction from playing TibSun, TW or any RA game.

[ScotlanD]

Thats because Generals single player is boring.. lol, its not what the games about though

[Lauren]

It is still part of the game. If in his opinion TS is better then it is in his opinion. No need to argue on what is something about. Just respect his opinion even if it differs from yours. Thanks.

[ScotlanD]

His opinion is based on only 1% of the game though as online is 99% of what makes generals, generals.

[ccgownzuall]

I have stated enough times that I do not like MP. If that's what it's designed for, am I not right too? I was talking about SP and in that regard it is unimaginative and lame. If actually playing a game means a MP ladder competition, then I haven't played a single game. Happy?


Nobody says the SP is crash hot,(i don't think anybody even plays the missions) but the MP experience is out of this world.
i can't believe there are people out there who buy a game(intended for multiplayer-online human challenge-interaction) just so they can watch a dam good story or play some stupid missions vs computer.

[AthCom]

Nobody says the SP is crash hot,(i don't think anybody even plays the missions) but the MP experience is out of this world.
i can't believe there are people out there who buy a game(intended for multiplayer-online human challenge-interaction) just so they can watch a dam good story or play some stupid missions vs computer.

I can't believe there are people out there who buy a game just for MP as MP support for a game will die off at some point anyway. SP is what the game will always have and support.

[ScotlanD]

generals never have any multiplayer support......... :P

[Feloidea]

[...] And I bet that Tiberian Sun will win this vote because of its Die-Hard and "Senior" Fans

You say that like it's inherently worse to be a TS fan rather than being a GG fan ...

[CrazyGDIfan123`]

I can't believe there are people out there who buy a game just for MP as MP support for a game will die off at some point anyway. SP is what the game will always have and support.
what is this supposed to mean?
how does sp always have 'support'? i have seen very few games that patch their singleplayer, if at all

'support' is not needed for sp nor mp as long as theyre polished enough.
and generals mp is polished enough that it doesnt need further 'support' in the form of patches - all it needs is a functioning online service.

if you meant 'support' dying in the sense that one day EA will shut down their online servers for generals, thats still a very long way off and irrelevant for people enjoying the game now. Even if they are shut down, there are services like lan/hamachi which make mp still possible.

[AthCom]

what is this supposed to mean?
how does sp always have 'support'? i have seen very few games that patch their singleplayer, if at all

'support' is not needed for sp nor mp as long as theyre polished enough.
and generals mp is polished enough that it doesnt need further 'support' in the form of patches - all it needs is a functioning online service.

if you meant 'support' dying in the sense that one day EA will shut down their online servers for generals, thats still a very long way off and irrelevant for people enjoying the game now. Even if they are shut down, there are services like lan/hamachi which make mp still possible.

Oh at the last sentence I wanted to type something after it, but decided not to, hence the weird sentence.

"if you meant 'support' dying in the sense that one day EA will shut down their online servers for generals, thats still a very long way off and irrelevant for people enjoying the game now."
True, but it doesn't invalidate my comment.

[ScotlanD]

yes it dose.. and FYI ea has no control of the server :)

and ccg lan, network is easy to use so even in the unlikely case they do there will always be multiplayer ccg

[AthCom]

If there are no more people to play with, there's no MP. You will still have SP. That's all I'm saying. If you can't grasp that because of your fanboy love for Generals, so be it.

[RedAlert2008]

Tib Sun the Story is just brilliant in it.

[ScotlanD]

its 8 years old and the community is very strong and know each other.. there are guys who will probably play till the day they die :P

[Lebelge]

Generals opened a new generation of cnc ... more playable, without limits dictated by the story of the previous cnc ... a real fresh wave ...

Generals has no story ? It s possible but do you need a story to play online ?

[12334]

Generals beating Tiberian Sun?U mad?

[Lauren]

His opinion is based on only 1% of the game though as online is 99% of what makes generals, generals.
It is still his opinion.

[ScotlanD]

Its not a valid opinion though, he is claiming Generals is not as good as TS without playing Generals.

[Lauren]

By definition you can't invalidate an opinion.

[ScotlanD]

Its my opinion you like to talk a lot of crap :)

[CrazyGDIfan123`]

If there are no more people to play with, there's no MP. You will still have SP. That's all I'm saying. If you can't grasp that because of your fanboy love for Generals, so be it.
what kind of silly argument is this, honestly?

if a game is good, its mp will last a very long time - aka a good few years... and thats all mp players want.
why do you think starcraft1 is the most popular and successful rts to date, and continues to be popular after 10+ years?

sure it may die -eventually-... and that may be when - maybe another 5-10 years at minimum?
do you really buy games thinking about their possible future in 10 yrs time?

your opinion is just invalid as said in the above posts. you arent even looking at what generals does best:
- cliche themed factions sure, but they are all very well thought-out (in terms of unit balance, design, upgrades, powers)
- one of the most balanced games under the cnc name
- one of the most strategically diverse games under the cnc name

whether it is a real 'cnc' game is ofc debatable, but it cannot be called a 'lame' and 'unimaginative' rts by any standards
====
im not even an active generals player heck, im a cnc3/kw fan (and dont get me wrong, i love the atmosphere in TS too) - but i appreciate the kind of gameplay depth generals has to it and realise none of EA's later titles could outdo it

[ccgownzuall]

If the story line was so important why don't you guys just read a book instead?

[CCGMurder]

All the people in here that have never played Generals Online should have their votes deleted and should have zero right to say anything in here. Please stfu if you've never played CCG online. The campaign is 0,000000000000001% of the entire game. To quote a legend: Please go buy C&C Generals, install it to your computer and join the online sensation before we all murder you! :)

Also:
-CCG is the ONLY C&C that is 100% BALANCED.
-EVERY unit is UNIQUE. There are like 20 VIABLE strategies in EVERY matchup. Which is way more then any other C&C. (I'm not talking about building defences with artillery behind it, but actual good games between good players, on official maps. Who know what they're doing.)
-C&C Generals still has a active community running, with still a active Clanwars League. Since online is the thing this is worth a mention.
-The entire engine of CCG is so much better. Dozer system > MCV. GLA > NOD, China+USA > GDI. Dozer > MCV because the potential of strategies and the possibilities are way greater then on TS. TS is very limited compared to Generals. I've played both online and active AND campaign so i actually have a right of judging here.

I could write like 50 other valid points why CCG is better then TS, but to frankly honest. Why should i try to convince clueless SP players/noobs?(With all respect.)
CCG>TS.

[ScotlanD]

murder lol at you thinking there is only 20 viable strats in each m u noob :L

[Diamondz0r]

Ccg.

[Magnus20]

At least i can say i didnt vote for a game which isnt really a C&C :)
So best regards, Generals sucks :D

[Feloidea]

U-huh, ... guys, forget the CoD brats, we have our own batch of CCG brats now it seems. I suggest everyone keeps his calm, because this is going downhill fast.

[Magnus20]

If the story line was so important why don't you guys just read a book instead?

Most of you kids have never really touched a book

[ScotlanD]

tbh by recent C&C Standards why would anyone even want to be labelled a C&C... embarrassing :)

hi diamond :D

[Magnus20]

tbh by recent C&C Standards why would anyone even want to be labelled a C&C... embarrassing :)

hi diamond :D

Just asked your beloved EA Games :D

[ScotlanD]

hehe who you think made Generals ? :)

[Magnus20]

hehe who you think made Generals ? :)

And its labeled C&C isnt it?
So your argument is invalid :)

And like i said, Generals sucks ;)

[ScotlanD]

EA didn't make Generals:) neither is it a recent C&C.... 8 years old.

Which is your favourite C&C game? :)

[Magnus20]

EA didn't make Generals:) neither is it a recent C&C.... 8 years old.

Which is your favourite C&C game? :)

First stage is denial ;)

[ScotlanD]

Ignorance is bliss eh? :)

[Magnus20]

Ignorance is bliss eh? :)

Look who is talking ;)

[Feloidea]

Dudes, this isn't a chatroom ...

[ScotlanD]

You don't even have an argument, its Fact that EA didn't make Generals, its Fact that it is a C&C, its Fact that its one of the best RTS of all time never mind one of the best C&C:) Its also a fact that your ignorant, uneducated and most likely suffering from some kind of mental illness :)

[Magnus20]

You don't even have an argument, its Fact that EA didn't make Generals, its Fact that it is a C&C, its Fact that its one of the best RTS of all time never mind one of the best C&C:) Its also a fact that your ignorant, uneducated and most likely suffering from some kind of mental illness :)

Why so mad ? :D
Looks like your arguments turn into insults , no wonder ....
Bad arguments always turn into insults ;)

[ScotlanD]

I never get mad :) I get even :) your lack of argument is the insult :)

[Feloidea]

Okay, either you guys are a troll-team or you should take this dispute elsewhere. This ain't your personal spam/flame zone.

[Magnus20]

Okay, either you guys are a troll-team or you should take this dispute elsewhere. This ain't your personal spam/flame zone.

Sorry , i will stop posting now
Its just that i hate trolls like scotland, who suffer from some kind of ADD

[PizzaAtomica]

Guys can you please atleast use the proper abbreviations, it makes me want to scratch my eyes out everytime I see Command and Conquer shortened to "CC", there should be either a '&' or a 'n' in between there. Even a '+' would do.
Thank you.


edit: Cheesus this debate goes fast we're allready two pages further than what I was talking about lol.

[ScotlanD]

Sorry , i will stop posting now
Its just that i hate trolls like scotland, who suffer from some kind of ADD

so providing an argument with facts is a troll? and your one word off topic nonsense is..? :)

[CCGMurder]

Magnus is just some campaign newbie who just has a flame me-sign on his forehead. So he's kinda making it hard for us to keep it civilized. :( Give me one reason why CCG is not a Command & Conquer? It was actually the last C&C that was actually any good. So yea if you assume that all the other games after Generals were ****, (Generals being the last pearl) and therefore Generals isn't a C&C. Then you're right.

[faisal22]

Magnus20 At least i can say i didnt vote for a game which isnt really a C&C
So best regards, Generals sucks

Yea you may be right. It not C&C game. it is far better game then other C&C game out their. You live in fantasy world that did not exist. General is the realty and the future of Victory game. My advice to them will learn from your past mistake and make General 2 already which will be build on foundation of original General game with latest 3D effect and graphic and add new faction to make it more interesting then before. give Me Thumbs:D up if you agree.

[HOPE1134]

give Me Tums:D up if you agree.

How about a *Thumbs* down for saying that

[ScotlanD]

thumbs up :)

[Golan2781]

Would you guys mind not making both sides look like arrogant, narrow-minded fools?

[Feloidea]

Okay, last warning, stop this useless flamewar or moderators will stop it.

[Coolness7]

So I actually read the last 10 pages as painful as it was and I just want to correct some people on some things.

@Athcom there are so many people that buy games for MP purposes only its not even funny. To be honest you are one of the minor (and very minor at that) group that does not take much interest in multiplayer at all. You should seriously give it a shot sometimes because you are missing out.

@whoever said CCG was not made by EA.... Ummm what? Start up the game and look at the logo.

Both games are great they just play very differently and I think the main reason Generals turns some people off is because of the much different type of RTS it is. I actually dig the Dozer system where you can spam war factories and have massive tank battles with bombers flying in everywhere blowing the **** out of everything.

[ScotlanD]

EA logo just means they released it as there's took the credit :P check the credits for the staff involved ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EA_Los_Angeles

[AthCom]

@Athcom there are so many people that buy games for MP purposes only its not even funny. To be honest you are one of the minor (and very minor at that) group that does not take much interest in multiplayer at all. You should seriously give it a shot sometimes because you are missing out.

Thanks, but no thanks.. I was in the RA3 beta and I couldn't believe how many people were:
-retarded (with which I mean: being obnoxious and a general pain)
-busy flaming everything and everyone
-swearing at other people

That has put me off big time. If I would do MP, I'd do it with friends or something.

I'm sorry if I got carried away. Btw, if people didn't know, the flaws I stated were about SP, for I dislike playing MP. And, SP in Generals, in my opinion, is unimaginative and lame. If people can't get that, I'm sorry for them.

[Feloidea]

EA Pacific developed Generals, which just got renamed to EALA lateron.

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And for Athcom, what you say is certainly true for a good chunk of people going online, however given until you find some likeminded people you can stay with.

Also, those douchebags are more fun than actually annoying as long as you have only limited contact with them (aka just the matches).

[ScotlanD]

I can understand your opinion I have the same opinion on single player for Generals, but you should try to understand single player is only 1% of generals if even that. If the title was TS single player vs CCG single player then TS wins easy but that is not what the poll is about!

[DavyCrockett]

In my opinion Tiberian Sun is the best RTS ever. That dark atmosphere, the massive interactivity of the landscape (Veinhole monsters, destroyable terrain), the thrilling story, the interesting units (subterranean vehicles, Cyborgs who fight without legs, etc.) and the complex base building (having the possibility to build concrete, gates etc.) made it something special.

Generals on the other side felt to me like a generic USA versus evil terrorists game (similar to all those ego shooters). And I didn't like its game-play either.

[Golan2781]

I can understand your opinion I have the same opinion on single player for Generals, but you should try to understand single player is only 1% of generals if even that. If the title was TS single player vs CCG single player then TS wins easy but that is not what the poll is about!The poll is for personal preference, not hard facts of gaming theory. It doesn't really matter if Gens had 99% of perfection in the parts that people don't care about - a good game is good in the parts that people want to play, it shouldn't have to beat them with a stick into playing the fun part.

Though I'd rather contest that 1% figure because Gens SP was much better than most people give credit.

[ScotlanD]

The poll is TS vs Generals, ALL parts of both games........ nope that's based on the fact you can complete it hours.. where as you could play online for thousands of hours and always be challenged. After all RTS is all about being challenged and using strategy and tactics to overcome that challenge, nothing dose it better than Generals!

[Feloidea]

The poll is TS vs Generals, ALL parts of both games........

That's what he just said ...

[Golan2781]

The poll is TS vs Generals, ALL parts of both games........Of course, but as it is about personal preference, that also means all parts being weighed by personal preference...

[ScotlanD]

but he has not tried the main part soo how can he have an opinion on it :L

[AthCom]

I can understand your opinion I have the same opinion on single player for Generals, but you should try to understand single player is only 1% of generals if even that. If the title was TS single player vs CCG single player then TS wins easy but that is not what the poll is about!

A friendly reply:
I understand you find Generals SP about 1% of the total game, as you focus on MP, which is perfectly fine.
For me however, while acknowledging that -apparently- Generals MP is good, that doesn't make a difference, as I don't play it.

If the title was TS multiplayer vs Generals multiplayer, then probably, Generals wins easy. And I wouldn't have cared about TS losing if the poll was about that.


but he has not tried the main part soo how can he have an opinion on it :L

*sigh* To you, that is the main part, not to me. Why don't you just get that?

[PizzaAtomica]

Though I'd rather contest that 1% figure because Gens SP was much better than most people give credit.

The same goes for TS MP imho. I don't really understand why everyone is talking sh*t about it, i've played it online a lot and I always had a blast.

[foofightersrule]

SP in Generals, in my opinion, is unimaginative and lame. If people can't get that, I'm sorry for them.
SP in general, objectively, is unimaginative and lame. If you can't get that, I'm sorry for you.

I'm curious why you even bothering playing an RTS at all, if all you do is play against an AI? That is the epitome of unimaginative and lame. AI has no sense of strategy, no creative play, it even has to cheat just to make things marginally competitive. RTS is ALL about MP, if you just want to build a base and have a computer randomly throw **** at you, I recommend Sim City. If you want to be entertained by cut scenes or a storyline, go watch a movie.

As an RTS, CCG completely blows TS away. CCG's game mechanics are far superior. Harassable builders, ultra-harassable econemy, no insta-build, balanced and truly unique factions, better pathfinding, less spam, more micro, etc...

[Coolness7]

The same goes for TS MP imho. I don't really understand why everyone is talking sh*t about it, i've played it online a lot and I always had a blast.

I have to go with PA on this one

[Golan2781]

but he has not tried the main part soo how can he have an opinion on it :LHe can properly judge that it completely failed to attract his attention which is kind of a strong indication that for a player like him, it isn't good.
And I guess that most people in fact did try Gens MP.

[AthCom]

I'm curious why you even bothering playing an RTS at all, if all you do is play against an AI? That is the epitome of unimaginative and lame.

Because I like the story and missions. Is that so bad that you would ban me from playing a game? Please, grow up.



He can properly judge that it completely failed to attract his attention which is kind of a strong indication that for a player like him, it isn't good.

At least I know what minorities must feel like.. *uneasy laugh*

[ScotlanD]

A friendly reply:
*sigh* To you, that is the main part, not to me. Why don't you just get that?

NO.. lol, its not just the main part to you, to me... its nothing to do with anyone's opinion or preference... the poll is about the games, the whole games and generals is focused for online play and that is that. TS is focused on single player(thats where its budget and time went) generals is focused on multiplayer, balance etc(thats where its time and money went) its really simple to understand surely?

[Coolness7]

Hey Athcom have you tried TW multiplayer or is it just CCG MP you didn't like?

[AthCom]

Hey Athcom have you tried TW multiplayer or is it just CCG MP you didn't like?

I have only tried RA3 beta. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind people playing MP, but before the beta, MP just didn't do anything for me. I didn't have any friends that played C&C games, so I stalled on it, I guess.

The RA3 beta for me, went fine in the beginning, but became an elitist swear-fest and drained all the fun. After that I just didn't bother with any MP (yes it was that bad).


NO.. lol, its not just the main part to you, to me... its nothing to do with anyone's opinion or preference... the poll is about the games, the whole games and generals is focused for online play and that is that. TS is focused on single player(thats where its budget and time went) generals is focused on multiplayer, balance etc(thats where its time and money went) its really simple to understand surely?

Yes, the poll is about the whole game. Generals is apparently focused on online play, fine. I don't play online. I can only judge it on its SP, which I found lacking. Are we done now? Please?

[ScotlanD]

I have only tried RA3 beta. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind people playing MP, but before the beta, MP just didn't do anything for me. I didn't have any friends that played C&C games, so I stalled on it, I guess.

The RA3 beta for me, went fine in the beginning, but became an elitist swear-fest and drained all the fun. After that I just didn't bother with any MP (yes it was that bad).



Yes, the poll is about the whole game. Generals is apparently focused on online play, fine. I don't play online. I can only judge it on its SP, which I found lacking. Are we done now? Please?

Your only Judging it on a small part of the game.. that's what is wrong!... you should have null voted until you can properly form an opinion taking all the facts and experiences into consideration. :)

[Golan2781]

Your only Judging it on a small part of the game.. that's what is wrong!... you should have null voted until you can properly form an opinion taking all the facts and experiences into consideration. :)He did judge the full game, and thus conceded that most of what defines Gens isn't fun to him, so Gens as a whole isn't as fun to him as TS.

[DHzDesireN]

Also, TS was made in a time period were multiplayer gaming was not that big, TS was what mid 90's? Gens was created at a time where multiplayer gaming began to get huge.. So the focus was on the MP side of it.

Ask alot of the pros out there, and by pros i mean the guys like Dackel, Apollo.. etc that jump from game to game to play competativley, the only reasons they play these new games is because of they have support from EA and they can make money off it. But once the game loses it's support from ea, and there waiting for the next release, which game do they always end up popping back up on? Generals or ZH... Why? because it's the best game

[AthCom]

Your only Judging it on a small part of the game.. that's what is wrong!... you should have null voted until you can properly form an opinion taking all the facts and experiences into consideration. :)

Even if Generals MP is omgwtf amazing and I took part in it, I would still have voted for TS. I consider you a troll in this thread and won't be responding to you any more.

[DHzDesireN]

Single Player is good and all, but once its over its over, so you beat your SP on TS do you just throw the game away, or you gonna beat it another 50x? Also Single Player doesn't challenge you like going online will. Generals Gameplay > any other game. A good SP is great and all but the bottem line when you are buying a game, is the Gameplay, and no other RTS can match gens gameplay.

[PizzaAtomica]

Your only Judging it on a small part of the game.

So are you. You're only judging it on MP.
Can this debate please stop now because it's going nowhere.

[DHzDesireN]

I dont understand how you can judge an RTS on the SP alone... Playing the SP doesn't allow you to recieve the full experience of the gameplay of that specific game..

Actually spamming skirmish offline vs the computer gives you a better experience of the gameplay the single player.

Single player can be fun but it's all scripted, therfore you dont get the entire experience.

[AthCom]

Skirmish is all right. I didn't count it as MP though, since it's still against AI.

[Golan2781]

I dont understand how you can judge an RTS on the SP alone... Playing the SP doesn't allow you to recieve the full experience of the gameplay of that specific game..

Actually spamming skirmish offline vs the computer gives you a better experience of the gameplay the single player.

Single player can be fun but it's all scripted, therfore you dont get the entire experience.

Dude, not getting the entire experience does, for many people, mean not meeting people like ScotlanD online, which for many is a definite improvement. More gameplay experience doesn't mean better gameplay experience.
That aside, SP and MP play different, I'm sure you'll agree in that, so neither SP nor MP can give you the full experience of a game, only the respective part. People seeking the well-directed experience of a controlled SP experience don't find fun in the harsh, brutal MP matches.

[DHzDesireN]

Im not saying its MP, im saying you get more of a full gameplay experience from it since it's not scripted.

[DHzDesireN]

Dude, not getting the entire experience does, for many people, mean not meeting people like ScotlanD online, which for many is a definite improvement. More gameplay experience doesn't mean better gameplay experience.
That aside, SP and MP play different, I'm sure you'll agree in that, so neither SP nor MP can give you the full experience of a game, only the respective part. People seeking the well-directed experience of a controlled SP experience don't find fun in the harsh, brutal MP matches.

Well like i said, TS was made in a period of time were the main focus of an RTS would be its SP. While gens is the opposite, and in the present no RTS is made for its SP anymore. Personally I would never buy an RTS for its SP, but for a casual gamer you may like that aspect more.

[Golan2781]

Scripts are part of the game. And you don't get them in MP.
Good scripting is even a sign of a good RTS.

Personally I would never buy an RTS for its SP, but for a casual gamer you may like that aspect more.Very much agreed and nothing else was what I've been trying to say. To each his own.

[ScotlanD]

I am not judging it only on Multiplayer...... I am more of a single player person funnily enough, TS single player honestly isn't even that great compared to TD, RA2 etc

[DHzDesireN]

Also last post then i g2g..

The most important thing is the Gameplay bottem line, not the SP... Some people may enjoy playing the SP but thats not what you should look at when deciding which game is better, the most important thing is the gameplay.. And Why?

Because its an RTS, a Real Time Strategy game, there is no Strategy when it comes to SP... Single Player is scripted, if you dont do step 1, you cant get to step 2... This forexample is why I can't play career modes on the WWE games, because theres no options in it, you have to do exactly what it says your youll never move onto the next part, and whats the difference between that and watching a movie?
Also no matter how bad the gameplay itself is, no matter how imbalanced the armies are, it does not effect the SP at all. Likes Scotland said, the SP is 1% because it is like a movie, you have no say in what you do, it tells u what to do, and you do it till you suceed. It cud have the shittiest gameplay of all time and still have an amazing SP.

Theres absolutley nothing wrong with perferring one game over another because your main attraction to games is the SP, its just when it comes to deciding which game is overall better, you need to look at all angles, not just "i love SP in games and TS is better then Gens in SP so TS GMV"

[AthCom]

Because its an RTS, a Real Time Strategy game, there is no Strategy when it comes to SP...

Em, of course there is.. It's merely objective based.

Edit:

Scripts are part of the game. And you don't get them in MP.
Good scripting is even a sign of a good RTS.

Personally I would never buy an RTS for its SP, but for a casual gamer you may like that aspect more.
Very much agreed and nothing else was what I've been trying to say. To each his own.

Agreed.

[ScotlanD]

Um no you can pause single player actually so :P

[DHzDesireN]

It's more of a right way or wrong way to do it, rather then a strategy. A strategy is more of a gameplan on how your gonna do something, when it comes to SP, once you figure it out, it works every single time.. So its not really strategy.

[AthCom]

I agree that MP would be more challenging regarding strategy, but I stand with my former comment. Upping the difficulty of the AI can lay waste to previous strategies.

There's always room for error.

[Golan2781]

The most important thing is the Gameplay bottem line, not the SP... Some people may enjoy playing the SP but thats not what you should look at when deciding which game is better, the most important thing is the gameplay.. And Why?What good is gameplay if you make nothing of it? Gameplay is just the foundation to build on, this works more directly in MP than SP but gameplay alone doesn't make for a good game.


Because its an RTS, a Real Time Strategy game, there is no Strategy when it comes to SP... Lack of strategy is not a sign of SP, it's a sign of a bad game. A good RTS very much requires proper strategy to achieve the tasks posed by the game. Ironically, Generals was a prime example of properly executed SP missions...


It's more of a right way or wrong way to do it, rather then a strategy. A strategy is more of a gameplan on how your gonna do something, when it comes to SP, once you figure it out, it works every single time.. So its not really strategy.I'm sorry but that doesn't make any sense, especially seeing how C&C has been plagued by countless abuse strategies that dominated MP to the point of there being a few right and many wrong plans.
The reason why an MP game can never have a "right" strategy is that you never play the same MP game twice, it's technically impossible (as your opponent will change, even if it's the same person). If you were to actually repeat the same MP game over and over, some "right" strategies would condense similar to SP.

[Coolness7]

I agree that MP would be more challenging regarding strategy, but I stand with my former comment. Upping the difficulty of the AI can lay waste to previous strategies.

There's always room for error.

Maybe we should play a couple games of TW and i'll show you what the AI can't do

[AthCom]

Maybe we should play a couple games of TW and i'll show you what the AI can't do

You just want an easy win, lol


I can see through you ; )

[Coolness7]

Lol

BTW:
Personally I would never buy an RTS for its SP, but for a casual gamer you may like that aspect more.
Dude, for Starcraft 2 you would. That game's SP is off the god damn chain.

[Lauren]

@Athcom there are so many people that buy games for MP purposes only its not even funny. To be honest you are one of the minor (and very minor at that) group that does not take much interest in multiplayer at all. You should seriously give it a shot sometimes because you are missing out.
Blizzard stated 50% of all SC2 players never touched the mp and played only sp. EA stated well over 60% of CnC players play only sp.
Let's talk about minorities here.

[PizzaAtomica]

Also last post then i g2g..

The most important thing is the Gameplay bottem line, not the SP... Some people may enjoy playing the SP but thats not what you should look at when deciding which game is better, the most important thing is the gameplay..

But Gameplay and SP are not two opposite things. Whether you play SP or MP, there is always gameplay.
And in fact, imho, you can judge the gameplay by SP alone. If you take the Generals gameplay for instance, I don't really like the dozer system, I don't like that you have to select production structures by hand before you can tell them to produce units, and I don't like the late game money providing thingamajigs. Now if I would go online sure I would see opponents that use other tactics and strategies than the AI, but the gameplay stays the same, and I still wouldn't like it.

[Coolness7]

Blizzard stated 50% of all SC2 players never touched the mp and played only sp. EA stated well over 60% of CnC players play only sp.
Let's talk about minorities here.

Like i'm going to take EA's word for anything..... And my resentment of EA has nothing to do with C&C. Also read my last post

Btw 85% of COD players prefer MP or SP

[Luke_Danger]

Not that Generals was a bad game in of itself, but Tiberian Sun really had a unique atmosphere and felt like it wasn't well, Earth as we know it but Earth being infested by Tiberium.

[Lauren]

Like i'm going to take EA's word for anything..... And my resentment of EA has nothing to do with C&C. Also read my last post

Btw 85% of COD players prefer MP or SP
-Is CoD a RTS?
No.
-Right. gg

In every RTS that has a single player the mp part is where the minority is.

[Coolness7]

No-one ever specified that this is about the number of MP players vs SP players and there are more MP gamers out there. I rest my case.

[Lauren]

How can there be more mp players if the number of mp players is lower then half of the whole?

[DavyCrockett]

I personally think that even the multiplayer mode in TS is better than the one in Generals. It was more strategic as it contained less micromanagement and you could focus more on the overall strategy. Also the resource system was more interesting. And of course the factions where more innovative what made it more interesting to play with them (especially the stealth generator unfolded its magic if you played Nod against a human opponent).

[stephanovich]

Gameplay, well I'll grant you your opinion. ; ) Generals is balanced better than TS, yes. I myself really didn't care for the mission design at all, but maybe that's just me. Very different play styles? Personally, I don't think so, but you're entitled to your opinion. Amazing to play? Not to me, for MP maybe, but I don't care about that.

I meant in general, so SP as well. And of course that was only my opinion. Not stating something like that as a fact.......kind of impossible to do so.


Better story, FMVs, better units, better unit design, better missions, better atmosphere, CABAL, great dialogue (well except for egotistical McNeil, I suppose), there were no clearcut good sides (GDI covertly making Hassan execute Slavik, instead of taking the moral high ground).

Better story and MP I will agree on. But I really hated more or less every single unit design in TS where as there's a lot of units that I really like to look at in Gens. Even though I really liked a lot of TS's mission designs (like the one with Umagon and Ghoststalker finding the Banshee base and then you get the MCV etc.), there are just not very many mission designs in Gens that I don't like. The rest falls into "story" for me and I already said TS is the best there.


Imo, the only reason Generals is winning is because of its MP, which I find sad.

Why is it sad? If TS wins you could say that it only wins because of its SP...wouldn't that be sad as well then?

And guys come one. There's no need to go on a minor troll/flame war just because your opinion on what matters most is different.