Command & Conquer

http://i.imgur.com/RPI5O.jpg

NO.

You sound like a CoD hater.

What anime have you seen thus far?

It might help not mining through all the stuff you already watched.

Also, GitS:SAC & 2ndGig. Doesn't matter if you already watched it, it's just that good (Tachikoma!!!!).

Eh, Puella is horribly overrated. Have you seen Darker than Black?

Darker than Black for me is overrated. Oh and Commander_McNash I would suggest that you watch School Days to relieve some if that University Tension

http://img-cache.cdn.gaiaonline.com/...ren-lagann.jpg

Take a good look at the amount of awesome in that single pic. It's a 10 million lightyears tall mech standing on a galaxy just before fighting another gargantuan mech which will be throwing galaxies at him. Now multiply that by 27 episodes.

You know you want to.

I have read some references to Darker than black but never checked what's all about, I guess I may tray to gather some additional later, not sure with GitS, while I am supposed to watch the OVA as an important piece of visual design education I dont think I would watch Stand Alone Complex.

Why?

Well, I didnt like the main character's suit, yes, that purple suit, ok I have nothing against catsuit, in fact I like them when they are well designed, but that purple catsuit looked awful, and gave me the impression the show was going to be too much about "cheap" fanservice and not "well executed" fanservices.

And as for Gurren Lagann, I dislike them for the same reason I like Warhammer 40,000, they are over the top, but I feel Gainax just gives "more" instead of "better developed", it's like you like a burger, the guys from 40K will add it more ingredients you like, soda, french potatoes, sausage and a toy (probably a HQ miniature), the guys from Gurren Lagann will give you just more burgers of the same, and they all have the caducity date for today (and these are not Happy Meal burgers so they wont last).

A good example is Borreh's posted pic, so, ok, it's your generic giant robot, but instead of making it more complex by giving it a deep background, technical info and a design which have some deep historic connotation they just make it the size of a galaxy.

Then you get 40K titans, they are big, but not invincible, require tactical planning to get deployed, are fallible (even corruptible) and need support to do their job, their pilots have decades and even centuries of services (which imply both victories and defeats) and have developed traditions and ritual around their machines and there is an extensive background which involves a wide array of possible settings and sidestories.


In short, for me Gurren Lagann series itself is a galactic size Mary Sue compilation.

I must agree. That's why I took a firm stance against it in my old anime thread.

With all due respect, I disagree. The thing is, Gurren Lagann is, as far as I know, meant to be silly, cheesy, over-the-top and completely overblown. This is not the type of show you watch for deep character development or good technical background. Instead, this was, from the very beginning as far as I know, meant to be a light-hearted mecha anime with certain aspects taken to a riddicullus level.

While I do not think that there is anything extraordinary about the plot or characters (Well, maybie besides an early death of one character you would not expect to die; Kinda' like you would kill off House in 1/4th of his own series. That, I admit, got me by surprise). This is show intended to be fun, and saying it's not deep is akin to going into a burger restaurant and disliking it because they don't have any good exclusive french cruisine dishes.

The very reason I love Gurren Lagann is not only the sillness, but the style in which it does it - Sure, you do not get any technical data on the mechas, despite everything being possible if you are stubborn enough, but you couldn't make the show as silly as it is if it was realistic. And Gurren Lagann is the only show/series/thing in existence I am aware of which allows you to see a duel of two galaxy-sized mechas. If it would be done in a serious show, then you would instantly find a gazylion plot holes and physics-bending errors in such scene, but with the tone the show has, you do not care because you know it is silly.

For me, it's like saying Red Alert series is bad because it is not realistic. "Parachuting cannonball warbears? Oh come on.."

I don't know about you guys, but every time I hear "Gurren Lagann"... Beefy guys come to my mind.

GitS: SAC doesn't really have any sexual fan service. At least, not any more than say, the first movie. And all the movie basically showed was a catsuit and boobs for 2 seconds in the beginning when they're building her.


As for the criticism of TTGL of being a Mary sue compilation. You have King Leonidas and Kane in your sig, next to what looks like the Black Op's cover dude.

If one can call TTGL a Mary Sue comp, while idolizing characters in stories like those and still keep a straight face, well...


Some specifics. You can see the TTGL (The show's namesake is the robot's name too.) is not invincible, its history is that it was passed down through the millenia, from would-be hero to would-be hero, all of whom have failed in the end to defeat the universe's main evil. The main villain for much of the show was one of these fallen heroes. Kamina, the Mary Sue in the show, dies mid-way, and at that time, almost gets everyone killed because he doesn't know his limits.

Simon the eventual hero struggles with his self doubt, but unlike Shinji Ikari, actually overcomes it in the latter half of the series. Yet he still loses everything in the end, including his wife (At the marriage ceremony no less.), and the world he saves even ultimately outgrows him too. Kid's don't know who he is when they meet him. He made for a terrible leader of his civilization, because at first, he didn't understand the consequences of his actions within the world he helped create. He doesn't learn and adapt, but learning and adapting is not being a Mary Sue.

The female lead Yoko loses every man she likes or loves, and grows into a single, and wrinkled elder. She does hold a happy job as a teacher, but again, a somewhat happy ending for her is shaky evidence to leverage the Mary Sue accusation.

What's great is that the show has these things, while still appealing to fans like Borreh, who enjoy it at a more casual level.

I ca second the notion that GitS:SAC has a very, very low proportion on fanservice. There ARE some cases that are obviously a bit fanservice'y, but those are at least obvious enough that everyone knows they are and can treat them as such. They are not thrown in for subconscious pleasure. And the whole rest of GitS:SAC is more like nerdservice considering the sociological phenomena that made the title and the thinly veiled criticism of modern society, politics and technophily.

Add the great storylines, deep characters and character progression/development (well, save for Borma, that poor fellow has about as much character as a white paper with a crude sketch of a face on it and very, very little character developement throughout the series, poor sod) and the overall great artistry and quality of the anime it is practically a must-see for everyone that wants to claim being a genuine anime fan. Otherwise it' like saying you are a fan of classical comedies and never saw a single Charles Chaplin ...

Oh, and did I say Tachikoma? Because the Tachikoma alone are worth watching the entire show. Seriously! Tachikoma are the cutest, adorablest, death-dealingest robots EVAR! Tachikomatic Days has to be the single best post-credits sketch line I've ever seen.

Oh you Tachikoma, may Kami-sama watch forever on your precious ghosts and may you forever watch over Batou-san *sniff*

Ah ok, that was just my perception of these series, Borreh, I dont like Red Alert 3 visual design and character execution, so I guess I shall stay away of TTGL.

Kyang, I dont idolize people, I like them and find some of their qualities very remarkable and even inspiring but the word "idolize" sounds too much ( to give you a hint I dont think cultures should be based just in the production of a leading cast of warriors, and in real life I wont justify all the suffering and destruction which resulted from Kane's schemes), again, what I told you was my perception, I may be wrong but since we are talking about anime shows I dont think it's worth the effort to watch the whole series to see if I may like it or not.

Feloidea, well, if that's the case then maybe I may give GitS:SAC a chance, the description you are making about the tachikoma sounds interesting.