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  • The "Don't listen to the comunity" comments?

    #1
    I'm mildly boggled by why so many of the veteran forum members have been saying "Don't listen to the community" especially since they have been a part of it for so long.

    What's the deal?

    There is always this attitude of if a developer listened to the community and gave us what we wanted, some how that would make a bad game?

    But isn't that ironic?

    We are here to hopefully be heard by the devs and CIRE, and each other, and help improve the state of C&C, yet at the same time you guys are saying listening to us is a bad idea....

    Could it be that we don't want any responsibility?

    Could it be we don't want to get our hopes up?

    I believe in an active relationship between the fans and the devs, and I've experienced some of it from running PR for Tiberium Secrets, I don't see why people would say such contradictory things.

    If you guys honestly believe that then why are you here?

    Sure, the devs can't give everything the fans want, but what's the harm in trying?
    Last edited by GeneralSGJist; 06-01-2012, 07:51 AM.
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    The harm would be most people don't have any clue how to design a game that doesn't just look good but also plays good. For an example take a look at most of the realism threads.

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    • #3
      As Lauren shows, it's just about so many people posting threads which other people dislike.

      There is quite a lot "realism" and "gameplay changes" themed threads, and the people who dislike those ideas just try to end the discussion by telling the devs not to listen to the "liberals".

      I am all against the game staying the same, but I do not try to silence forum users which disagree with me. And this is what they are trying to achieve, trying to force on Bioware to "not to listen to theese guys because they don't have a clue".

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      • #4
        I think it's fine for them to listen. The important thing is to then take note, nod politely, and do what they feel is best - whether that's implementing the idea or discarding it depends on what the devs actually intend to do with the game.
        But yeah, in the strictest sense, they shouldn"t listen to the community, as in taking orders - even when people have enough of a clue to gauge the impact of their idea on an existing game, they have no way of knowing how it'd integrate into the initial design and possibly other ideas.

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        • #5
          I thought it has to do with bad ideas, hence the suggestion to "do not listen to the community (with bad ideas)."

          But at a more formal level, I'd go with Golan's input, it sounds just about right.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by stormgear View Post
            I thought it has to do with bad ideas, hence the suggestion to "do not listen to the community (with bad ideas)."

            But at a more formal level, I'd go with Golan's input, it sounds just about right.
            "Bad ideas" are the ones you do not agree with. While I do not agree with many things I comment, I never demand anyone to ignore those comments I disagree with because I dislike them. Forums are for discussion, and anyone who wants to authoritariavely end it is, as far as I know, completely against that philosophy. Probably against the rules also, I'll read them again.

            Besides, if we will all discuss in this vein ("This idea is bad devs don't listen to this man!"), then there will be no discussion at all, just people calling each other's ideas dumb.

            What Golan says is obvious, no one ever told us the devs will (or are obliged to) implement anything we will discuss here.
            Last edited by Borreh; 06-01-2012, 03:30 PM.

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            • #7
              It's "don't listen to just anyone from the community" really. Most ideas/requests/whinings are mostly completely unsubstantiated, those should be passed over.

              Ideas that are structured and make sense should always be "listened to", a.k.a. read and put up for consideration.

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              • #8
                Keep posting guys - We're filtering here in house in terms of what can be done and makes sense! Sometimes those crazy ideas might trigger something here in the studio which can lead to something cool

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Feloidea View Post
                  It's "don't listen to just anyone from the community" really. Most ideas/requests/whinings are mostly completely unsubstantiated, those should be passed over.

                  Ideas that are structured and make sense should always be "listened to", a.k.a. read and put up for consideration.
                  True, but some people have almost literally said "Don't listen to the community!" or something like that. That's just stupid.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Borreh View Post
                    "Bad ideas" are the ones you do not agree with. While I do not agree with many things I comment, I never demand anyone to ignore those comments I disagree with because I dislike them. Forums are for discussion, and anyone who wants to authoritariavely end it is, as far as I know, completely against that philosophy. Probably against the rules also, I'll read them again.

                    Besides, if we will all discuss in this vein ("This idea is bad devs don't listen to this man!"), then there will be no discussion at all, just people calling each other's ideas dumb.

                    What Golan says is obvious, no one ever told us the devs will (or are obliged to) implement anything we will discuss here.
                    I was thinking that the "bad idea" on things that won't be so viable in the game mechanic itself, not on something that a person would disagree at.

                    Originally posted by EA_CIRE View Post
                    Keep posting guys - We're filtering here in house in terms of what can be done and makes sense! Sometimes those crazy ideas might trigger something here in the studio which can lead to something cool
                    *coughofflinegamingcough*

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by stormgear View Post
                      I was thinking that the "bad idea" on things that won't be so viable in the game mechanic itself, not on something that a person would disagree at.
                      What is a viable game mechanic or not is a matter of taste and discussion, dissmising stuff altogether is just uncreative and undemocratic.

                      Originally posted by EA_CIRE View Post
                      Keep posting guys - We're filtering here in house in terms of what can be done and makes sense! Sometimes those crazy ideas might trigger something here in the studio which can lead to something cool
                      Exactly what he said.

                      I really don't you people's problem. First you all are about "zomg the devs do not listen to the community!", now they are "zomg community is dumb stop posting or the game will be crap!"

                      Come on people, we're just here for fanboyism, discussion and cheerleading, nothing more, we're not the devs.. x_x

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by stormgear View Post
                        I was thinking that the "bad idea" on things that won't be so viable in the game mechanic itself, not on something that a person would disagree at.


                        *coughofflinegamingcough*
                        Lol I no.

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                        • #13
                          Also remember that things discussed here, while perhaps not something they can put in to G2, might be useful for future games.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Feloidea View Post
                            It's "don't listen to just anyone from the community" really. Most ideas/requests/whinings are mostly completely unsubstantiated, those should be passed over.

                            Ideas that are structured and make sense should always be "listened to", a.k.a. read and put up for consideration.
                            I concur with this point.
                            Saying "don't listen to this, devs, because it's stupid" is completely pointless and insensitive. If an idea isn't well structured, isn't a good one, or just wont work, then I'm pretty sure the developers will use their common sense and determine whether or not the idea should be integrated, likely with the answer "no".

                            The point that I've upheld since C&C was rebooted recently was that the developers can't afford to make a bad game. Hence, they are going to do whatever they can within their power to make it good. That includes listening to fans, filtering their ideas, determining whether or not it's a good idea, and integrating the idea or tossing it.


                            Originally posted by EA_CIRE View Post
                            Keep posting guys - We're filtering here in house in terms of what can be done and makes sense! Sometimes those crazy ideas might trigger something here in the studio which can lead to something cool
                            ^ What he said.

                            Originally posted by stephanovich View Post
                            Also remember that things discussed here, while perhaps not something they can put in to G2, might be useful for future games.
                            That too.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by =LEVIATHEN= View Post
                              I concur with this point.
                              Saying "don't listen to this, devs, because it's stupid" is completely pointless and insensitive. If an idea isn't well structured, isn't a good one, or just wont work, then I'm pretty sure the developers will use their common sense and determine whether or not the idea should be integrated, likely with the answer "no".

                              The point that I've upheld since C&C was rebooted recently was that the developers can't afford to make a bad game. Hence, they are going to do whatever they can within their power to make it good. That includes listening to fans, filtering their ideas, determining whether or not it's a good idea, and integrating the idea or tossing it.
                              We also need to stop bigwigs from touching the game, liek they did at cnc4?

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