GDI or Nod

[Quadhelix]

Anyway, you are right on most points however it all seems to be futile to discuss this further because the NOD story arc simply isn't complete. For instance you say that the liquid tiberium bomb could be somewhat justified because it was for a good purpose. Hence why not knowing the NOD's true and final purpose makes it hard to judge them entirely. Now sure they aren't really ethical but I just don't feel we can brand them as stereotypical villains with the information we have.

Except, again, Tiberian Sun shows us Nod's endgame, namely the complete annihilation of life on Earth. Moreover, it doesn't even necessarily matter what Kane's plans were: the point is that the Brotherhood as a whole had no compunctions about going along with a plan that any thinking person would see would wipe out all human life on Earth.

And about the NOD ending in TS, we aren't even sure what the missile did. The world turned greenish which suggest a tiberian infestation but did everything and everyone die?

First, there was quite obviously a blast wave produced by the missile, so that alone could have done enough killing to end humanity as a viable species.

Second, the question isn't necessarily whether the initial transformation wiped out humanity: the point is that the transformation would render the Earth completely uninhabitable. Remember that at that point, nobody had developed working Tiberium Infusions to immunize people against Tiberium (and the fact that Nod elite units like the Black Hand, Shadow Teams, and Commandos decline to make use of Tiberium Infusion leads me to suspect that the "upgrade" has some sort of horrific long-term side effects). Bringing data from C&C4, it's noted that even with the terraforming projects related to the Tiberium Control Network, there is still trouble getting clean water to grow crops.

I mean as an example: after he found out he executed whats her name again based on a lie he seemed pretty pissed. Surely the mad man who wanted to wipe out humanity in TS wouldn't have felt a shred of remorse.

A. Even amoral madmen can have friends.
B. Is it remorse that he killed her, or remorse that he got played?

i really like the part where nod destroys a civilian/mutant settlement and blames gdi for it and
where GDI intentionally blow up temple prime knowing that the liquid tiberium will kill millions and contaminate the whole area and blame nod for it.

Of course, when you say that, you not only ignore that Kane deliberately put the man who made that decision in the position to make, but also that GDI firing the Ion Cannon at Temple Prime was critical to Kane's plan. In true Nod fashion, you criticize GDI for events orchestrated by Nod - you condemn the Brotherhood without even knowing it.

So in other words, it's just another example of Nod's habit of killing civilians and then pinning the blame on GDI. Of course, here, it's Nod's own people that Kane is slaughtering wholesale.

[generals3]

Except, again, Tiberian Sun shows us Nod's endgame, namely the complete annihilation of life on Earth. Moreover, it doesn't even necessarily matter what Kane's plans were: the point is that the Brotherhood as a whole had no compunctions about going along with a plan that any thinking person would see would wipe out all human life on Earth.

First, there was quite obviously a blast wave produced by the missile, so that alone could have done enough killing to end humanity as a viable species.

Second, the question isn't necessarily whether the initial transformation wiped out humanity: the point is that the transformation would render the Earth completely uninhabitable. Remember that at that point, nobody had developed working Tiberium Infusions to immunize people against Tiberium (and the fact that Nod elite units like the Black Hand, Shadow Teams, and Commandos decline to make use of Tiberium Infusion leads me to suspect that the "upgrade" has some sort of horrific long-term side effects). Bringing data from C&C4, it's noted that even with the terraforming projects related to the Tiberium Control Network, there is still trouble getting clean water to grow crops.


A. Even amoral madmen can have friends.
B. Is it remorse that he killed her, or remorse that he got played?

Well i doubt it was a matter of "friendship" and heck i'm fairly certain the TS Kane would have just shot her for treason and wouldn't have brought up the fact " I ordered her execution". He would have only cared about the fact he was played and betrayed.

And let's not forget during the GDI cutscenes in TS Kane mentioned data from the Tacitus and the usage of Tiberium to "evolve" humanity. Now maybe he was delusional and overconfident in his ability to master tiberium but his goal may have been for humans to become "divine" (as he would state it) and not just wipe everyone out. Not to say it is not unethical to impose it onto a planet.

I just wish the NOD story arc would be complete to get a grasp of the whole picture. What was he really after? Why did he do it? Was he just an egotistical power hungry maniac or a severely delusional idealist?

And i miss good old Slavik

[Commander549]

Quadhelix, that was amazing reasoning and argumentative power! I've never seen anyone argue for the cause of GDI (with all of the challenges that C&C3 and C&C4 present) so deftly. If you're planning on becoming a lawyer, keep going!

[Plasticz]

It depends what game...

In C&C1 I lked GDI. In Tiberian Sun I like Nod.

In the end, I chose NOD. IN THE NAME OF KANE!

[Mrcncfan13]

depending on the game
tiberiun sun-nod Firestorm-nod
tiberiun dawn-GDI
Renegade-GDI
Tib. wars 3-nod Kanes wrath-gdi
im not even going to talk about tib. twilight but its 3/3 so im at a draw

[DavyCrockett]

First, there was quite obviously a blast wave produced by the missile, so that alone could have done enough killing to end humanity as a viable species.

Second, the question isn't necessarily whether the initial transformation wiped out humanity: the point is that the transformation would render the Earth completely uninhabitable.

How do you want to know what the missile would actually do?


I personally always assumed that the missile would transform the entire planet with all its life into a Tiberium-based ecosystem, transforming mankind in this process to Tiberium-based (better) lifeforms as well. So essentially the new Tiberium covered Earth would be a fitting environment for the new, ascended, humanity.

Considering Kane's plans I think this would also make more sense. Just because you assume that the missile would wipe out all life, doesn't mean that it actually is the intended meaning of the Nod ending.

And the ascension of humanity would be a goal, that, at least in my opinion, would justify a few dead here and there.

Nod's habit of murdering civilians and then framing GDI for the act.

I'd say that you would only see missions were you fight civilians when playing as Nod, because you as the player were sent to do the dirty work, like punishing people who supported the GDI,

while the GDI would have special units (secret agents, or whatever; for example Hassan pretty much worked for them) for doing the dirty work, while the player as a regular GDI commander would focus on the cleaner actual warfare.


And I also assume that the civilians loyal to Nod would defend themselves if not outright being part of Nod's armed forces(so Nod didn't have any missions were you had to babysit them, while the ones belonging to the GDI would have to wait for the GDI to arrive and protect them).

Also increasing civilian causalities on your own side and blaming it on your opponent to gain support is a common strategy in guerrilla warfare (The weaker side has to use dirtier tactics in order to win against a more powerful opponent).

[ponic]

Random question for this thread, why do most people tend to choose Nod over GDI anyways?

Me personally I prefer GDI over Nod, quite easily...even if they aren't really heroes (Allies were a bit closer to heroes in the C&C franchise)

[AdmiralQ]

Steel Talons Rule

[NODSOLDIERGIRL]

Gotta go with nod here...peace through power!

[nodforev]

Always have been and always will be Nod. The WAM at the end of TS was Kanes way of progressing humanity and natural selection. Those who embraced Tiberium would be taken into the next stage, those who opposed it would be killed.
The supporters of GDI are capitalist with nothing but there own gain in mind. We the brothers and sisters of Nod we help those who need help and stop the oppressors.
Peace through Power.